Wisconsin’s most notorious conservative senator has again leaped into hot water, this time over Kwanzaa.

Sen. Glenn Grothman’s denounced the holiday in a press release Friday,  calling the African-American cultural observance fake, fraudulent and one that “almost no black people today care about … just white left-wingers who try to shove this down black people’s throats in an effort to divide America.”

Unsurprisingly, there's been a backlash, including from the black caucus of the state Democratic Party. Caucus chair Stephanie Findley is calling on Gov. Scott Walker to denounce Grothman’s comments.

“As head of the Republican Party of Wisconsin, Scott Walker should say whether or not he associates himself with and approves of the disgusting comments made by a chief ally such as Sen. Glenn Grothman,” said Findley, CEO of Midwest Construction and Management of Milwaukee, in a statement.

Walker’s office did not respond to a request for a comment Wednesday afternoon.

In typical Grothman fashion, the West Bend lawmaker maintained Wednesday that he was not apologizing for his words.

Findley asserted that Grothman, who also has minimized the honor accorded civil rights leader Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., now seems to be saying he knows what's best for black people.

“He directly attacks basic principles of religious liberty in his ill-advised screed,” said Findley in the statement. “He took a time to celebrate peace and goodwill toward all and warped it into a narrow political appeal to bigots.”

At a time when the Republican Party is struggling to expand its appeal to voters, this is the second time Walker has been called on by state Democratic leaders to denounce what are arguably over-the-top comments by fellow members of the GOP.

Walker recently denounced a request from nine state tea party Republican lawmakers that he arrest federal officials who enter the state to set up a health care exchange required by law under the federal Affordable Care Act.

Grothman ended his Friday press release, which also went out to constituents as an e-newsletter, by cautioning parents to “be on the lookout if a K-12 or college teacher tries to tell your children or grandchildren (that Kwanzaa) is a real holiday.”

He claimed that “irresponsible” public schools district like Green Bay and Madison “try to tell a new generation that blacks have a separate holiday than Christians.”

Kwanzaa, a non-religious holiday that runs from Dec. 29 to Jan. 1, was first celebrated in 1966. It highlights African heritage with a focus on seven core principles  It is estimated that some 18 million African-Americans celebrate Kwanzaa annually.

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abu1882

i will continue to watch BSNBC and BSCNN. i think it will help to update myself. Child Abuse Story

persia

Every holiday is a fake, Jesus was born when shepherds were in the field, either spring or autumn, not winter. St valentine was a catholic priest who was beheaded on feb 14. Presidents Day is still legally George Washington's Birthday and was created to give federal workers a three day weekend. Thanksgiving as a holiday is less than a hundred years old and the event it commemorates may have never happened. Pilgrims did not dress like cheap waiters with shoe belts on their heads. Easter Eggs are left over from Roman times and the date is often wrong according to the Bible. Oh, and the is no fat immortal demigod delivering LCD TVs in a 19th century sled mentioned in the bible. Yes Kwaanza is fake, but no more fake than any of the other holidays.

skippie

What's the problem with Grothman exposing Kwanzza for what it factually is?

TruthDefender

To those who say let those who celebrate Kwanzaa just do their thing and that it doesn't bother anyone, that's not exactly true in Madison. Falk and Lowell Elementary Schools incorporate the principles of Kwanzaa into their daity curriculum. Their students have no choice, and questions should be raised about what actually is taught.

This is a bit ironic in Madison. We have a city that has legitimate, serious and real concerns about violence toward women, yet build into school curriculum the teachings of a convicted torturer of women - Ron Everett, who now bills himself as "Dr. Maulana Ron Karenga." Do they teach anything about the man's true history? Have any of the students and parents ever heard his real name spoken in the classroom? We have legitimate community concerns about racism, yet include in curriculum principles that are founded on racism, by a man whose followers murdered two members of the Black Panthers because they critized him, and he didn't think that they were racist enough. In his own writings, Everett founded Kwanzaa on racist principles. At Falk and Lowell, do they teach anything about the truth and background behind the seven principles of Kwanzaa, and what happened to the victims of the despots who actually authored those principles? Do they teach that the colors of the Kwanzaa flag were selected to be symbolic of a call for racial warfare?

This is even more surprising in a community that prevented two public places -- a park and a school -- from being named after Vang Pao, because of allegations that in his previous life, he ordered the executions of his own followers, prisoners of war, and political enemies. Apparently, the same community standards don't apply to Ron Everett and Kwanzaa.

MadCityYokal

Only someone who has never thought beyond his own community, his own nose, really, would be so vain and naive to make such clearly sad, misguided and device [written for the extreme right of his community] statements at this point in time in our history. I feel sorry for his constitiuents.
Another punch to the face of Wisconsin.

skippie

It's hard to understand how truthful comments are misguided. Would it be in better taste to lie in his statement. What Grothman said was true. You may no like it but that does not make it untrue.

MadCityYokal

So, skippie, what was the all important context for Grothman to make these comments at this point in time than to be device? He is using these comments to signal to his extreme right constituency that he is with them. He is one of them. He has not strayed nor will he.
This technique of using other people is what small thinking politicians do. It is so easy to unite behind demeaning the "other" -- in this case the African American community. Grothman has revealed himself in this manner.

kashka-kat

The point is - who freaking cares whether anyone wants to celebrate ANYTHING, or nothing at all. All holidays were established at some point in time, and some take & become popular, and some don't. A lot of Christian holidays take the dates of previously established pagan holidays (Mithras was born on December 25 long before Jesus ever came into being). Some people apparently celebrate Festivus now - more power to them. The world needs more holidays, not less.

Grotmann's intentions were so obviously not to inform or elucidate, but simply to get a rise out of people. Since he got exactly what he was looking for - what are you complaining about Skippie dear?

l

Nav

Does it REALLY matter how Kwanzaa came into being? Why do some people feel this need, for no reason, to ridicule holidays that some people celebrate? Why cannot there people "live and let live?"

NO one is asking ANYONE celebrate Kwanzaa? Do your thing and lets others do their!

krshorewood

What do you say we all chip in and take Grothman to see Django?

number6

Thank you, that was laugh-out-loud funny.

Wis_BlogRider

Sure hope Grothman does not have access to any guns. All the warning signs of mental instability are definitely evident as he displayed on CNN last night.

DarkStar

It is a fact that Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 by a black radical FBI stooge, Ron Karenga -- aka Dr. Maulana Karenga -- founder of United Slaves, a violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers. He was also a dupe of the FBI.

Sing to "Jingle Bells":

Kwanzaa bells, dashikis sell
Whitey has to pay;
Burning, shooting, oh what fun
On this made-up holiday!

milton's fried man
milton's fried man

Made up kinda like Mother's Day or more like Valenetines day?


wait what about christmas itself since it's pretty clear jesus was born in march or april?

DarkStar

You are fried! Let see, Mother's Day, nice holiday to respect and honor one's Mother, or Valentine's Day, another nice holiday to spend time with the main squeeze; or Kwanzaa, invented by a whitey hating anarchist?? What's your address, I want to send you a quarter so you can buy a clue! You must be a real hoot to hang out with.

skippie

The fact is, Christmas celebrates the birth of the historic figure Jesus. The Birth of Christ has been celebrated for many hundred years. Kwanzaa is, and never will be on par with anything like Christmas. It even pales in comparison to Mothers Day and Valentines Day. The make believe holiday is not even 60 years old! Mothers Day is over 100 and Valentines day started (because of a historical event) in 498 AD.

Kwanzaa is not even as much of a holiday as the tooth fairy showing up at your house!

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

To repeat, folx, they're ALL made up. Every one of them. None of them are ordained by nature. (The winter solstice itself is a natural occurrence, but it doesn't come with a mandate that it be observed, and in fact, due to seasonal drift, most of the holidays in its vicinity don't actually fall ON the solstice any more anyway.)

I suspect that Roman citizens probably figured this new-fangled "Christmas" thing would never displace Saturnalia, either. Just because it's old doesn't make it any less arbitrary.

GOOD DOG HAPPY MAN
GOOD DOG HAPPY MAN

Thanks for the snortygarzzle, @ DarkStar.

Have a Happy Hanaramakwanzmas, mano.

Veritas vos liberabit.


skippie

So I guess the liberals feel it is a problem when people factually describe Kwanzaa. Why does this not surprise me? Liberals do such stupid things.

bob3

In the interview, Biggot Grothman doesn't "celebrate" martin Luther King Day, but he does celelbrate Columbus Day. The guy who didn't "discover" America, just raped and pillaged those that were here first. But, Columbus was white, so there....

Slithy Tove
Slithy Tove

Since when has Glenn Grothman become the arbitrator of what is a "real" holiday and what is a “fake” holiday? I would like to have Glenn weigh in on which of these are “real” holidays.
Columbus Day…real holiday or fake holiday?
St Patrick’s Day …real holiday or fake holiday?
Thanksgiving Day…real holiday or fake holiday?
Pulaski Day… real holiday or fake holiday?
Valentine’s Day… real holiday or fake holiday?
Halloween… real holiday or fake holiday?
Jefferson Davis' Birthday… real holiday or fake holiday?

Thanks Glenn.

Slithy Tove
Slithy Tove

It's too bad that the right-wing extremists like Grothman and Sensenbrenner get the media coverage. It gives the rest of the country a very skewed and negative impression of the views of the majority of Wisconsinites.

cmb53703

C'mon folks, is anyone surprised by racist comments spewed by a Republican from suburban Milwaukee? Go around Grothman's district and you'll find that Mississippi has more progressive views on race than Washington County.

Otto West
Otto West

I wonder if he considers the Pledge of Allegiance a "fake pledge," since "under god" was added just about 12 years before Kwanzaa was established.

human

Also, the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist, Francis Bellamy. When kids recite the Pledge in school, are we turning them into socialists?

kashka-kat

Question - why does anyone give a fig about anything Crabby Appleton, aka Glenn Grothmann says? It's about as significant as the latest pronouncement by Donald Trump or any of the other self-aggrandizers parading around thinking they're important.

WSJ - just because some crackpot writes a press release doesn't mean it's news or worth reporting.

thedude25
thedude25

Glenn is stupid. But then so is equating Kwanzaa with Christmas and Haunakua (sp). Culture war bs is just a way to distract and divide us so the rich can keep getting richer.

Renaissance Man
Renaissance Man

And Kwanzaa is a joke. We all know it. Only some of us have the guts to say it.

Mr_Deeks
Mr_Deeks

I don't think it is a question of having the guts to say it. It is more like why say it at all? What is to be accomplished except to rile everyone and showcase your own inept, personal and unappealing style? He just gives the left more ammo.

milton's fried man
milton's fried man

+1!

Renaissance Man
Renaissance Man

So this is controversial but the Left defends the Freedom From Religion folk's crap? I get it.

milton's fried man
milton's fried man

Exactly which holidays
does FFR want us to celebrate?

human

FFRF doesn't care which holidays YOU celebrate.

But they don't think EVERYONE should be required to celebrate the Christians' made-up holidays.

concerned_citizen

wait, the GOP is full of bigots?!

Porter

The real killer is that the people in his district, (who continually elect this knuckle-dragger) are every bit as racist as he is. He is truly representative of his district.

Nav

I am not sure about that! If that is the case, that's pathetic.

krshorewood

If you take the word representative literally, he makes his district look real stupid.

Retired PE

Yes, we Wisconsin residents can simply "laugh off" Grothman because this is just another of his long line of stupid comments that grab the media spotlight; unfortunately, he was interviewed on camera on CNN last evening (Wednesday) and gave national/international audiences another "taste" of Wisconsin and our continuing slide in this state. Grothman is the proverbial "bad penney" in that once he feels he needs to grab the spotlight for his own ego, he says something stupid to grab the media's attention. However, he is an embarrassment to this state as it is a reflection on us all. Plus, his new hairstyle makes him look even more deranged than he already is. I cannot believe he is regarded in Madison by his Tea Party/GOP colleagues as anything more than a joke. However, the way our Tea Party/GOP state government is operating, he is probably well-regarded.

packerbadger

Wait - does the new hairstyle include a tall, pointy white hood?

bananahammock

Yawn. Let him spew. He's just driving away middle ground voters to the left. Isn't that what you want?

geo_

What a hippocrite, the phrase "under god" was added to the Pledge of Allegience in the early 50s, Why isn't he taking that to task? It's another made up religious reference.

mic check
mic check

"Not intended to be a factual statement" - Jon Kyl's office

Mr LaMarr

Lynn4300 hasn't chimed in yet. Hmmm. She must be back on her meds.

Nav

or deep in the woods.

Nav

We also have not heard tomtom33's words of wisdom. Maybe he and Lyn are coming around to seeing how wrong they have been in defending these bozos?

Dode
Dode

Thanks, TruthDefender, for the info on this fake holiday. I thought it was started by Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars. One would think African Americans would celebrate the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation, but then that would be honoring a Republican and the dems can't have them doing that. So they made up a holiday.

gobi

Another FOX news point from Dode !!

Dode
Dode

If you stopped watching BSNBC and BSCNN, you'd realize they haven't talked about this made-up outrage on Fox News. Can you come up with any response that doesn't involve first grade level thinking?

Oscar
Oscar

truthdefender eviscerated kwanzaa, doing much research to do so. One would wish then, that he would do the same for grothman's brand of christianity. grothman has no business shredding anyone else's beliefs. Instead of attacking a known putz like grothman, we should be finding out what toothless, uneducated hillbillies vote this goon into office.

nan3

Anybody see him on CNN tonight? They were laughing in his face, while he coughed and hacked thru the whole piece without covering his mouth. What a slob! Walker, really, shouldn't you be distancing yourself from this nutcase?

koala

Good thing Glenn never volunteers to sit on a chair in the dunk tank at county or state fairs. People would be lined up for miles for a chance to throw this guy in the drink!

River

As a right-wing supporter and a patron of this holiday, I would expect my Governor to have already spoken!

kriley

TRUTH DEFENDER
How dare you pee on the white guilty liberal feel good parade with the truth.

Mattila

. . . and to think people vote for this buffoon. He has a history of racist and mysogynistic rhetoric.

BSH

While it's true that kwanzaa is a made-up holiday invented by an American who only explored a bit of African culture as a foreigner and outsider, Grothman displays total idiocy. What's the point of a press release with such divisive, mean and petty commentary? From an elected official no less, who's supposed to stand for what's right for the whole state. Disgraceful. You know what else is a made-up holiday, invented by Americans with nothing better to do? Mother's Day. Father's Day. Grandparents Day - what the heck is that? Groundhog day - that's not a real holiday. Hey, Presidents Day is a pretty lame thing, too. It's supposed to be Lincoln's birthday, or Washington's, but you couldn't get away with both, so they made up a new one. As if Jimmy Carter deserves a holiday! Is Grothman going to make a press release about how lame President's Day is? Idiot.

Warren G Harding

We are to the point where all we have left is to laugh. I was saddened when Herman Cain wasn't the front runner anymore in the clown show that was the Republican primary season. These people are scary mean and have the righteous indignation and guns to make it stick. Ordinary mean and greedy is not nearly as scary as the far-away eyes and self-rightousness of wing nut limb of the Republican family tree.

iponder

Glenn,
Please wipe the drool off your lower lip and pledge to be less ignorant and less hateful in 2013. I know it will be hard, but New Year resolutions are meant to be challenging. Walker's silence is deafening.

Firemasta

What prompted Grothman to write a press release about this? Perhaps his name hadn't been in the news recently enough so he decided to pick a fight with whomever grinds his gears today? I bet he writes a press release denouncing ground hogs next month. The press should just shred his releases upon arrival. An old man spewing ignorance isn't news. If it was, reporters would be talking notes in nursing home cafeterias across America.

Mr_Deeks
Mr_Deeks

I am an avowed conservative Christian. This guy is an anathema. He hurts us all whenever he opens his pie hole. His vote is just not worth listening to his moronic drivel. Good Lord, Glenn, think what you will but keep those thoughts to yourself. When you talk you weaken the team!

BananaSplitz
BananaSplitz

Amen. Seriously.

TruthDefender

Sadly, people still perpetuate the great lie that is Kwanzaa. Virtually everything having to do with Kwanzaa is fraudulent. Calling Kwanzaa a holiday that "pays homage to the celebratory use of cultural heritage as a means for progressive and positive social change" is about the same as calling Krystallnacht a colorful celebration of German heritage, or creating a holiday to honor the likes of Pol Pot (who imposed agrarian collectivization and, along the way, exterminated one-fifth of the Cambodian population), or David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Start with "Dr. Maulana Ron Karenga," the founder of ths fake holiday. His real name is Ron Everett. In the 1960s, he organized the United Slaves Organization, a group founded to rival the Black Panthers. Ironically, the Panthers thought Everett (aka. Karenga) was too radical. He thought that the Panthers should have been more violent. The United Slaves didn't seem to mind gunning down members of the Black Panthers on the UCLA campus. Jerome Huggins and Alprentice Carter - both Black Panthers - were shot dead by members of Everett's United Slaves after they had the audacity to verbally insult Everett.

Then, in September of 1971, Everett was sentenced to 1-10 years of prison on counts of felonious assault and false imprisonment. He tortured Gail Davis and Deborah Jones by stripping them of their clothes, whipping them with electrical cords and beating them with a karate baton. He also put a hot soldering iron into the mouth of Davis, and clamped her toes in a vice. He then put detergent in their mouths and ran water into their mouths with garden hoses.

The name of this "holiday" comes from the Swahili term, "Matunda Yakwanza," or first fruit, and all of the terms associated with Kwanzaa are Swahili in origin. Never mind that Swahili has virtually no relevance or ancestral connection to American blacks. It is an eastern African language, and the vast majority all American blacks descend from slaves taken from western Africa.

This "holiday" actually has no African roots of any kind. There are no known harvest festivals celebrated in Africa, in the month of December. Using corn as a symbol doesn't fit, as corn is not a native African specie (it's native to Mexico, central and South America) and wasn't even grown in Africa during the time of slave trading. It was brought to Africa by white colonialists.

The seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army. In 1974, Patricia Hearst, a kidnap victim who threw in for a while with her SLA captors, posed next to the banner of her captors -- a seven-headed cobra. Each snake head stood for one of the SLA's revolutionary principles: Umoja, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani — the same seven "principles" of Kwanzaa.

Everett based his Ujima and Ujamaa (the principles of collective work and cooperative economics) on the socialist economic principles of Julius Kambarage Nyerere. Nyerere was the first president of Tanzania, and also a despot and abuser of human rights. Like Everett, who bestowed upon himself the name "maulana" (master teacher), Nyerere like to call himself "Mwalimu" (teacher), though he actually was a teacher earlier in his career.

Nyerere cited the term "ujamaa" as his justification to uproot tens of thousands of Tanzanians and ship them forcibly to collective farms. Tens of thousands died or starved. His policies resulted in Tanzania falling from being Africa's exporting nation of agricultural products, to its largest importer.

To this day, most of Africa remains divided along tribal, cultural and ethic grounds. Many African countries or regions remain under the control of despots and warlords; chaos reigns; and murder, rape, torture and repression remain commonplace. Is this the "unity" that Everett (Karenga) envisions for everyone else?

In the Kwanzaa Information Center website under background about the colors of the Kwanzaa flag, it notes: "We lost our land through blood; and we cannot gain it except through blood. We must redeem our lives through the blood. Without the shedding of blood there can be no redemption of this race...In addition, with the formation of the Republic of New Africa, it has become the symbol of devotion for African people in America to establish an independent African nation on the North American Continent."

The shedding of blood; an independent African nation on the North American continent -- what is posted on the official Kwanzaa website sounds like a call for racial warfare. Black unity, perhaps, but in a violent and segregationist way. The same page promotes a "pledge of allegiance" which, among other things, calls for one nation of black people. Again, a call for racial separation and warfare.

The list of misleading or fraudulent aspects of this "holiday" could go on and on. It is especially sad that this celebration of racism and separatism is touted in media, and even taught and promoted in schools. Any efforts to do something similar by non-black groups to "rebrand" Krystallnacht, or to honor other despots and racists like Pol Pot, David Duke or Hitler justifiably would be met with outrage. Apparently there is much more money to be made on Kwanzaa.

There is much to celebrate in African tradition. None of it is historically or legitimately represented in Kwanzaa. There also are many other African American leaders whose teachings deserve more recognition and should be taught more prominantly than they have been. However, the likes of Everett (Karenga) should be called out for what they are, among the other despots.

Phil
Phil

Thanks for the KKK view of Kwanzaa. I am sure you are just posting this in the best interests of those who choose to celebrate a holiday that they feel strongly about.

I could similarly discuss the issues surrounding Christianity and Mormonism but don't due to the respect of other's beliefs, even thought they have harmed others in the past and continue to harm others now due to their evil beliefs, but instead I choose to follow the true teachings of Christ and turn the other cheek.

Have a nice day.

196ski
196ski

Thanks TruthDefender, I would encourage everyone interested in Kwanzaa and being quick to pass judgement on Grothman do their homework.

witness2012

Are you interested in the actual historical context surrounding Thanksgiving? I'll give you a hint. It doesn't involve a happy feast between the pilgrims and the american indians in the area.

momkow5

Sources??? for your made up rendition?

witness2012

Here is a very basic version of the historical context of Thanksgiving:

http://www.manataka.org/page269.html

Many more scholarly articles out there that give further historical detail on the actual events that underlie a holiday we have mythologized and transformed into something very different from its roots- like Kwaanza.

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

As an atheist, I have no particular respect for the teachings of any religion and consider them all to be frauds, and their holidays to have no more basis in reality than Jerry Seinfeld's Festivus.
 
But, as a party guy, I love 'em all. Let's make more. I don't care who does it. Heck, I eat elevensies because Tolkien's hobbits told me about it, and they're completely fictional.

Lionhear

Thanks, Truthdefender. I appreciate the research yov've done.

Shake
Shake

During the Church Committee hearings in 1975, evidence came to light that under the FBI's COINTELPRO actions, FBI agents had deliberately fanned flames of division and enmity between the BPP and Organization Us. Death threats and humiliating cartoons created by the FBI were sent to each group, made to look as if they originated with the other group, with the explicit intention of inciting deadly violence and division.

It was a very complex time. The Government was a bigger player than the parties they were "investigating".

midwestguy

Apparently Grothman has splintered off from his fellow Republicans and formed The Classless A-Hole Party.

smallfry

Everyone gets more of the slob grothman! He is a joke now and from day one! Really, people of Wisconsin, you like him? You vote for him?

cc1038

You read Grothman's comments and then call RR's a screed?
I'm assuming the S stands for sense ( as in common).

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

Steven, actually.

And don't call me common. 8^D

Actually, I'm somewhat bemused that I appear to be one of the few people posting here under my real name. Does everyone else know something I missed? Like, is there a comment burglar who's waiting for a lull in my postings to hit my house on the theory that I'm either asleep or away?

tasman

I don't know if this Holiday is real or not. It's origins are recent and celebrants seem few in number. Not much is know about the Holiday, how it came to be and its meaning . Perhaps a good task for newspapers to report on.

calme

...or you could click the link at the end of the article.

calme

I don't know what's worse, the fact that Grothman maintains such a narrow, out-of-touch perspective, or the fact that people keep voting him into office.

This guy is out of his mind. Wisconsin deserves better.

Monitor

We will nominate April 1st to be a 'Glenn Grothman Holiday'. Not only is it fitting as April Fools, but it was in April 1867 that the Ku Klux Klan had effectively organized in Nashville, TN. Glenn will proudly be referred to as "Grand Wizard Grothman" from here on out.

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

Of course Kwanzaa is an artificial holiday. Just like ALL holidays, it's human-made, based on a particular kind of human-made calendar (solar and cyclical, not lunar or continuous), celebrating human-made events, each arbitrarily picked from the huge heap of available historical events because of its significance to a particular group of people.

The winter solstice in particular has been a holiday magnet since pre-historic times, sucking in the Jewish Hanukkah and the Christian Christmas to keep company with the previously existing birthdays of Mithra, Dionysus, and Attis and feasts of Saturnalia and Sol Invictus. It's party time, and anyone who doesn't have an excuse to party feels left out, so not surprisingly they find an excuse of their own, and make one up if there are none ready to hand. No big deal. We've been doing it for thousands of years.

Cheezer
Cheezer

Is S for Screed Richard?

hankdog

cheez:

Richard is right on the money. What on earth is your point?

Cheezer
Cheezer

Inside joke. BTW shouldn't a tree hugger capitalize Earth?

hankdog

cheez:

That would be a waste of ink or pixels. I wouldn't call myself a "tree hugger" in the traditional sense, although I have hugged some trees as a means of support when my tree stand fell off the tree. I would rather call myself a proponent of common sense and fair play.

momkow5

Actually in the Torah and Bible, it list God as setting up the Seder/Passover dates, actually there are 7 feast set up by Him.

Phil
Phil

Christmas is a holiday almost no Christians today care about … just white right-wingers who try to shove this down people’s throats in an effort to divide America.

Fixed it.

Nav

The right wing of the Republican party is on a suicide mission!

Nav

Insensitivity to other religions, cultures, anything different is what defines these unsophisticated Republicans. And you are seeing many examples of that nationwide. WHO can actually believe that these people want to see a UNITED States of America?

foodanddrink

What a weirdo. Because of people like him we continue to see the fall of the right. What a whack job.

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