Hoping to make a point about "ridiculous" religious displays on public property, the Atheists, Humanists, and Agnostics at UW-Madison (AHA) added their own display Monday to the Wisconsin State Capitol rotunda.

The group's display depicts the “Flying Spaghetti Monster,” a deity composed entirely of spaghetti and meatballs. It is claimed to be the one true God by proponents of the satirical religion of Pastafarianism, according to the group's press release.

AHA’s sign urges onlookers to “be touched by his noodly appendage, before it is too late!”

“We would prefer to keep our Capitol secular,” Sam Erickson, AHA president, said in a statement, “but if the state decides to turn it into an open forum, they have opened the floodgates. We hope everyone takes advantage of this opportunity to advertise their own viewpoints, no matter how silly.”

The group points out that the rotunda already is home to a Seinfeld-inspired “Festivus” pole and a “natural nativity scene” featuring Charles Darwin constructed by the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

AHA’s display concludes with the message: “Think this is ridiculous? We agree! Religious ideas should not be promoted within the halls of government. Protect the separation of church and state, it protects us all.”

You can reach reporter Doug Erickson at derickson@madison.com or 608-252-6149.

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ThomasPaulMurphy
ThomasPaulMurphy

I too have experienced the wrath of the Spirit of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
In fact so relevant is the concept to religion that an image of the Flying Spaghetti Monster should be required to be placed in every single church that has an image of Jesus Christ! The Flying Spaghetti Monster should be juxtaposed to the other side of the alter as the image of Jesus on the Cross is!
And it does represent the spirit of those who had him crucified; Procula? Because Jesus Christ gave the Spirit of the Flying Spaghetti Monster a terrible dream didn’t he! So we won’t blame Procula! We will instead blame the Spirit of the Flying Spaghetti Monster! And wouldn’t it make a whole lot of sense to ask for forgiveness from that which will actually persecute the rest of us rather than that which never sinned?
And of course we all get that the Spirit of a Flying Spaghetti Monster is really the gestalt of an Italian Woman that is unhappy with her no good husband and then a transition to, after the defeat of him, real men everywhere? Hence the Spaghetti flying through the air at him because she can’t stand to feed him and resents having to cook for him!
For those of you who think the concept and study of religion does not belong at a University you could not be more wrong about anything in your life!
The Spirit of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the greatest addition and contribution to humanity in any way, shape or form that the University of Madison will ever make!
That Spirit of the Flying Spaghetti Monster represents the origin of the voices that those who are labeled schizophrenic, in medical fraud, yes medical fraud, her in their heads! The symptoms are real and horrific however they are part of a medical fraud. In fact that medical fraud has created generations who attend universities and are not truly educated even though they receive degrees! And the greatest revelation with regard to education will be those who are able to attain true self learned knowledge versus those who glean to represent knowledge in Satanic Cannibalistic ideation! In other words they never had their own mind or the ability to have one since the day they were born because of an oxygen deprivation defect to the Hippocampus region of the brain responsible for memory, learning and spatial relations. That last part their means knowing where one’s body is in the physical world. The hippocampus fires signals as a person walks through the environment. Contrast this to a young woman that goes to college and finds her place to be on her back on the sorority cot! Hence if you have a defective hippocampus you incarnation of human thought is reactive and instinctive and represented by The Spirit of the flying Spaghetti Monster!
Should college be a place for learning athleticism? Who in your right mind are you trying to fool? We learned how to play that in grade school and in a more fair manner than those labeled professionals do today! More on this later on at my blog The Milwaukee and Wisconsin News.
Thomas Paul Murphy

blockhead
blockhead

Wonderful!

I will go to the Capital to give adoration to the FSM this week!

The fact that this display strikes home to the conventional religious speaks volumes about how silly their god and risen christ are.

Oscar
Oscar

Given the hypocrisy of the religious crowd in the areas of war, executions, self-defense , etc (What part of "Thou shalt not kill" don't they understand?), I am all for the elimination of religious displays in the state capitol. The problem is that the atheists have intentionally disrespected the other side with a foolish display. I do see the point of it, but that is not how one wins arguments.

216chevrolet
216chevrolet

Well, I think the U.W. Atheists can just go to Hell then !! Right? Because they don't believe in Hell or Heaven, right? So no harm no foul, right? Sad, depressing, pathetic bunch.

Good and Godless
Good and Godless

In realm with actual gods and an actual choice to follow them or not an Atheist would respect diversity. Today Atheists are legally entitled to equal treatment, but by virtue of being correct, and religion being faked, the option for seeking equality with the mistaken is a huge compromise I am not willing to make.

sbp
sbp

I won't reveal where I stand on the religious continuum, because it really has no bearing on what I have to say: Can't they just lighten up and show a bit of respect for those who see the world differently?

Good and Godless
Good and Godless

Because the slightest bit of tolerance allows them to encroach on our oaths, limit our schools, shrink our research while dodging taxes.

jimatmadison
jimatmadison

Who should lighten up? The people who insist on promoting their religious beliefs in the halls of our (Constitutionally mandated) secular government?

Yeah. They should put up their Christmas trees (you know, like they had in the New Testament) at their churches, or, even more appropriately, at the altar of their true god (the Almighty Dollar), the mall?

mkallen
mkallen

Where are the atheist food pantries, hospitals, charities, toy drives, clothing drives, homeless shelters, childrens choirs, Christmas specials?

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

I would venture to guess that it is their choice and belief that they don't need to attach a label to their good deeds. If you are giving because you are "Christian" then you are not!

badfan1
badfan1

Wouldn't we all be better off helping others and spending our energy that way than telling each other what we believe is right or wrong. Please consider volunteering or sharing a meal with someone that hasn't eaten a good meal in a few days. All life is precious no matter what creed or belief we follow. Try doing something good for someone. If you're already doing that, take someone with you and share in the moment.

Ypsiroselee
Ypsiroselee

I'm cool with whatever someone wants to believe. Personally, I prefer lasagna, mostaccioli, and fettucine Alfredo (I'm a poly-pastafarian) to spaghetti, but I am not going to slaughter anyone over the matter. Really, I should be watching my carbs anyway.

I'm good with atheists, agnostics, the Big Three and everyone else, as long as they don't screw around with anyone anyone else's right to live out their lives in peace and contentment.

But that's the big "IF" now, isn't it?

human
human

"Personally, I prefer lasagna, mostaccioli, and fettucine Alfredo"

No problem. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is not a jealous deity.

May the sauce be with you.

willhogoboom
willhogoboom

I just said a prayer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster' deity, so it is no longer non-religious.

robertsthc
robertsthc

The sad part is that Atheists truly believe they are as good as it gets. Nothing but pity from me.

Miss H
Miss H

I love it when religious people tell me what I think. (For the record, you're mistaken, save you pity for people who need it.)

Good and Godless
Good and Godless

Everyone who is "good" is "godless". Some may not know it, others may not admit it and a few will reverently deny it. Because everyone is godless.
Being "good" with a belief in god is impossible.
That "goodness" is actually self-centered mock altruism as the fictional "reward" in the afterlife is to more than compensate for a little mortal token kindness. It is the empty promise of an overwhelming payback that makes the religious act "good".
I'm good because my kindness and compassion has no reward at all, ever and I know it.

Steve_R
Steve_R

ESP, East Side Pirates, want to know where we can get a copy of the FSM poster...

Coinneach
Coinneach

Wrong Gotch. All religions are equally fictitious. If Islam were the majority faith in the U.S. and its adherents were putting up Ramadan decorations in the Capitol, the AHA would still be there with the FSM banner. That is not, however, the world we live in so please give that tired trope a rest.

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Lionheart
Lionheart

You do realize they weren't promoting islam, right? They could just as well have used buddism, Judaism, Taoism or anything else. Personally I think the seperation of church and state stuff is way over done and this is a perfect compromise. If you allow one, you allow all. Expose as many people to as many different things as possible. Unprovable faith is unprovable faith.

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Coinneach
Coinneach

For a self-proclaimed agnostic on the sidelines, you've got a real victimization hard-on for the community of Christians you aren't a part of. Besides, why should any of us take seriously anything you write? Twice now you've changed screen-names, which by itself is no big deal, but each time you've lied about it and claimed to be a completely different person. You're not clever or careful enough to conceal your usual pet peeves on this discussion forum, so anyone who is vaguely paying attention knows you are both the Gotch and, before that, Yankee Bubba. Case in point is this discussion, where your above rant against me goes way beyond anything I actually said in my post today and is pretty clearly a continuation of the same thread from similar discussions under your Gotch persona.

I refute all of your accusations. If Muslims, Jews, Shintoists, Buddhists, Animists, Pagans, (pick your favorite fantasy) were in a position in our country to push their faith on others in the public square, I and many like me would do what the AHA did in this case and register our discontent in a peaceful and legal manner.

I realize I'm lucky to live in a part of the country where I am not discriminated against or in danger because of my lack of belief. If I lived in a nation where lack of belief where a crime against law or social convention I would lead a very different life indeed. I will not be quiet and kowtow to any organized religion trying to exert dominance in the public square. I am proud of our nation and our state of laws that allows groups like FFRF and AHA to have displays alongside the religious ones. As another poster rightly said, Christians don't own the myriad collection of mid-winter holidays and rituals, so stop acting like your version of the mid-winter celebration is the only legitimate one.

We'll stop pushing back when theists stop pushing us.

rrivoire
rrivoire

A non-ironic "Amen!" to your post, Coinneach.

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Good and Godless
Good and Godless

Saudi Arabia has the same Atheist percentage as the USA. The biggest resistance to Atheism is third world under educated regions. Like Central Africa or Southern USA.

GOOD DOG HAPPY MAN
GOOD DOG HAPPY MAN

I agree with my good buddy Pastor Giles who says it ever so eloquently in his piece, Why Atheists Whiz on The Most Wonderful Time of the Year"."

Why do some (not all) atheists embarrass themselves year after year trying to eradicate Christmas from American culture? Why do they make themselves societal hemorrhoids during this hallowed season?

Is it because they are crusaders for equality, secularism's saviors and humanitarian's heroes?

I'm sure that's what they tell themselves when they're pouting on their couches all alone on Christmas Eve after every one of their friends has dumped them for being a rabid zealot.

Call me goofy, but I'm forever grateful for Jesus' birth, death and resurrection. While most atheists this Christmas will be drinking to forget, I will, as my old homeboy, Martin Luther said, "drink to remember the One who was and is and is to come."

I be lovin' me the Baby Jesus, Grace and Peace Out.

DR. AND MOST RIGHT REVEREND GOOD DOG, HAPPY MAN


Harvey
Harvey

"There is a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning."
- Jimmy Buffett

I became a Humanist because I have seen too many hypocrites proclaim devotion to Jesus on Christmas while shoving the royal sceptre up their fellow man the day after.

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

Harvey, you HIT IT with a beauty of a wallbanger! 120% dead on!

Miss H
Miss H

Wait, who's being pouty? Just so you know, I won't be "on my couch all alone". I'll be celebrating the holiday with great friends, having presents and egg nog and what not, just without any religious aspects. We'll have a grand old time, as we always do. And I'm not trying to "eradicate Christmas" either. But sometimes some of the religious people in this country need a little reminder that they don't own the winter holiday, and they don't get to tell people how they may or may not celebrate it. Enjoy the holiday, however you prefer.

koala
koala

"This hallowed season"? You mean, the one the Church ripped off from about a dozen other religions which had celebrated the winter solstice long before 33 AD? Oh, yeah, that one.

Good and Godless
Good and Godless

It not is hypocrisy to correct those who are wrong.
It is the preservation of truth and knowledge.
Granting of frauds, liars and cheats any tolerance is a discredit to fairness.

Ego Vigilabo Vigilum
Ego Vigilabo Vigilum

Disclosure; I am a nonpracticing agnostic.

This time of year always seems to bring out religious bigots in full force, their smug all-knowing smirks decorating their pie-holes with Holiday Cheerlessness.

It doesn't really do much other than to brightly evidence their gross intolerance for anyone that deigns to disagree with their self-defined immutable truth, not unlike the lights on a tree.

Self-anointed Wise men/women look longingly to the East, envious of its tolerant communist & socialist approaches to human rights and the unqualified ongoing success of Eurotopia.

They choose the victims of their rancor carefully in a manner crafted with unwritten rules. Almost divinely one might opine; handed down from generations of the avante garde that prowl hip coffee shops, tea rooms & farmer's markets for those they pray are ideologically compatible.

So convinced of their world view are they that any dissent is seen as blaspheme, with those that disagree suffering banishment, being shunned, & excommunicated.

They seem to know each other by mere looks. Now we can't rule out telling signs like hempen homespun, Birkenstocks, a secret handshake, and HuffPo or the NYT (the 'good books')as the home page on their little e-devices.

Now, are they against ALL religions? Clearly not by a long shot. There are some whose mysticism and intrigue afford them a pass. They fall under an umbrella of acceptance & belonging. Not unlike many are called yet few are chosen.

The practitioners of these belief systems are able to be seen as minorities. Religious bigots need to embrace them to facilitate a need to be absolved of the original sin; White Liberal Guilt.

Feeling a modicum of tolerance for those they arrogantly see as lower human life forms is both cathartic, life-reaffirming, and cleansing; a baptism if you will.

They would be glowingly seen as integral threads tolerantly woven into the intricate fabric of global multi-cultural diversity. And you can't discount that eagerly sought ancillary emotional satisfaction that will directly ensue therefrom.

Now, a doubting Thomas might suggest that they those who fall prey to being denigrated is based on cost/benefit analysis. The gutless will pick on only those that tend to turn the other cheek knowing full well that others will offer a more 'robust reaction' (H/T jimri).

That would require them wearing the scarlet letter of "C" (coward).

My approach to all this echoes, of all people, Larry Flint. When everyone was trying to ban "Hustler," he said; "If you don't like it, don't buy it!"

When Religious Bigots (overly-sampled with Liberal/democrat/progressive types) see something they don't like (religion & religious symbols), their meddlesome nature won't allow them to just 'not buy it.'

They're so all-knowing, so unimpeachably correct, so far above reproach or question, that anyone that doesn't see things they way they do, well, they just need to see the light and be saved.

Don't they?

Lionheart
Lionheart

Were you once held captive by a bunch of atheists? There is a LOT of anger there. Maybe you could pray on that.

Ego Vigilabo Vigilum
Ego Vigilabo Vigilum

Lionheart;

No anger, unless you've mistakenly conflated anger with a strongly held belief that bigotry & hatred shouldn't be quantified.

Hate is hate, intolerance is intolerance, and discrimination is discrimination. There isn't a sliding scale that denigrating one de facto legitimizes the other.

It my have escaped your attention that I'm a nonparticipator with regard to religion. I'm no fan, or advocate, of exclusion. Heck, I've gotta couple of friends that are Chicago Bear fans. We just don't participate in our friendship for ~ hours twice a year.

I don't give a hoot about what anyone believes or doesn't believe. I just haven't fooled myself into thinking that tolerance is morally relative, allowing me to pick and choose what's legitimate and what's not.

Lionheart
Lionheart

You're right then I misunderstood. Not that far apart. Zealots on both sides no question. It's too bad the 10 - 15% on the far side of any issue seem to always control the debate.

Blazinator
Blazinator

You mad bro?

Ego Vigilabo Vigilum
Ego Vigilabo Vigilum

Blazinator;

Nope; but I won't deny being a little tetched in the haid.

I'm just calling out those who believe that their unique bigoted hatred is somehow justified, because, you know, it just is!

Juan Diego
Juan Diego

Overheard at AHA meeting:
-"Wow, look at the FSM poster!"
-"Yeah, that'll be awesome next to my Spock poster. It'll really make Mom's blood boil!"
-"Is she still bugging you about moving out?"
-"Yeah...but I can't find a place big enough for my collection. Thirty years is a lot of comics."

monotone
monotone

It's a shame that Christmas is associated with Jesus when it really has nothing to do with the big guy anymore.

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

Never did in the beginning, it was and STILL IS a pagan ritual date for the winter solstice! The fiction religions piggy-backed on it to have some reason to join the fun!

Joseph, the consummate con man! Excellent story, Joe, VIRGIN BIRTH!

mikeylikesit
mikeylikesit

The AHA needs a lesson in effective rhetoric. Their snark will make for a good inside joke. As for shaping public opinion, particularly among the vast majority of the public that claims to believe in a deity of some sort or another, their mocking probably just causes people to close their ears to the atheists, dig in their feet against them, and demand even more freedom to express their religious views in public spaces.

When your rhetoric has precisely the opposite effect from what you want, you're doing it wrong.

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

Yup, you dang non-believers, SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, and leave us Christians push our fiction on you!

GOOD DOG HAPPY MAN
GOOD DOG HAPPY MAN


@Crow Barr,

You'll be visited by three ghosts this Christmas Eve. Prepare yourself.

They'll be sure to not to impose anything on your sensitive soul. It'll be all yours.
Many atheists are upfront about it and don't want to leave their wantonness.

As Jesus himself said, they prefer darkness to light and don't like to be reminded of their personal accountability for their sin --- and their need for salvation----and therefore we should not expect you to be stoked about Jesus' brithday party."

GOD DOG, HAPPY MAN

Harvey
Harvey

@Good Dog .....

Can I worship the three ghosts?

Matthew 6:5
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

kalikundsteel
kalikundsteel

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Waroroses
Waroroses

The most unfree intolerant dogmatic people in the world are liberals. Kookery abounds. Have a blessed Christmas all!

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

I'll have a happy holiday egg nog for you, rosey!

Please don't fall on your Christianity going up the church steps on xmas, the one day a year you show up!

geo_
geo_

People here are not persecuting christians, they are persecuting the un-American-unholychristians that believe their beliefs are to be imposed on everyone. Our own government is indeed supporting one form of religion when they pass laws telling women how to treat their bodies, our government supports one religion when they pass laws denying coverage to some women for their choices. I'm pleased that many christian families have a pagan inspired yule tree in their house to help in the pagan celebration.

Lionheart
Lionheart

Actually no. There are many religions that would treat women the way the old, white, evangelical male folks want too. In fact many would treat them much worse. ( I don't recall any laws allowing for stoning of 14 year old rape victims) You really have to acknowledge both facts or your argument is worthless.

GaryRobbins
GaryRobbins

Crow Barr - Not as entirely as you may think.
Remember, there is religious mention in many forms and government documents, all of them constitutional.
If government and religion had to be entirely separate, then that would not be considered constitutional.
In addition, the government exempts many religious organizations from having to pay property and income taxes.
Certainly that could be granting favor to religion, construed as mixing gov't and religion, and that is also constitutional. It's only unconstitutional if the gov't gave these benefits to one religion but not any others.
In short, the separation of church and state does not mean that no religion can be in government, it means that no single religion can be officially endorsed over all the others, and that one religion cannot have official power/sway over policy making or law enforcement.
That's really all that 'separation of church and state' really means, and not much more.
Some people may want this separation to be more clear-cut than that, but it's not.

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

Gary, constitutional errors are made in every session! Eventually, as the continuing trend plays out, the Big "G" will come off of coins, and the other mentions you have researched.

GaryRobbins
GaryRobbins

The religious displays are not making fun of atheism, they're simply celebrating their own religious beliefs out in the open.
But this display from these atheists is simply making fun of others.
While it is their right to do so, it seems quite childish by these atheists, and is in very poor taste.

koala
koala

Do you dare to doubt the sincerity of the faithful in His Noodliness? To the stake with you!

woodysguitar
woodysguitar

When we no longer have to fight being ruled by a minority's belief in fairy tales, this will be unnecessary.

LiberumExcogitatoris
LiberumExcogitatoris

Christmas is the only religious holiday recognized by Federal and State governments.

Why aren't other religious holidays recognized?

Why is a religious holiday recognized at all?

Lionheart
Lionheart

Marketing.

Juan Diego
Juan Diego

Hmmm...what skill do many of the AHA sympathizers posting here lack? Hint: it involves relating to others in a way that takes into account their perspectives and feelings. And why might that be? See below.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autism-Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html

woodysguitar
woodysguitar

The study, from University of Boston, speculates that common autistic spectrum behaviours such as 'a preference for logical beliefs' and a distrust of metaphor and figures of speech, could be responsible.


Juan Diego
Juan Diego

Right. Spock, that cuddly logician and antithesis of human warmth, would be all over this. "Anything else, Jim, would be...illogical."

elsewhere
elsewhere

Juan Diego: As someone with a family member with Asperger's Syndrome, I find your statements fairly offensive. Please stop assuming that all people with Autism Spectrum Disorders lack empathy, are not religious or are somehow not capable of seeing other peoples viewpoints.

Convergence
Convergence

Thank you for posting garbage from the Daily Mail, and congratulations on discrediting your very own opinion and stance. The Daily Mail is a rag that exclusively posts shock articles to draw clicks and nothing of any journalistic integrity.

Fflambeau
Fflambeau

Well done! Down on our knees to the spaghetti god or feel his wrath.
And to XL Badger: you need to learn the difference between persecution and free speech. Persecution came from righteous and aggressive religions; the Inquisition was a product of Christianity, not of humanism.

mikeylikesit
mikeylikesit

Except for that persecution that came out of all the 20th-century atheistic governments, which manages to kill tens and perhaps hundreds of millions more people than the Inquisition ever did.

Persecution comes from people desiring earthly power and seeking to enforce power over those whose beliefs would make them difficult to control. Attempts to wield such power are hardly motivated by religious belief.

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

Mea-culpa, Mea-culpa etc. His Honor, the Pope, speaks, catholics jump.

koala
koala

Let's not forget little things like the 80 Years War, the French War of Religion, the 30 Years War, the Wars of the Three Kingdoms, the Crusades, the large number of Islamic Wars, the partition of India, and ethnic cleansing of all persuasions. It's had to say whether the slaughter (via arms and disease) of most of the New World natives was primarily religious or secular.

cc1038
cc1038

Thank you AHA at UW. The comments make it painfully and scarily obvious what these so called Christians would do to your organization if they had the opportunity and/or power.

Thank you for defending and promoting the separation of church and state!

Norby
Norby

I would think any reasonable person would realize it is counter productive to insult the beliefs of others.

Good and Godless
Good and Godless

In a world readily using cell phones it is time to toss out mythology once and for all.
Looking backwards at a time in which the people had not mastered:
Physics
Chemistry
Calculus
Astronomy
Medicine
Mathematics
Geography
Genetics
Archeology
Engineering
Bacteriology
Architecture
Oceanography
Meteorology
Forestry
Nanotechnology
Climatology
Paleontology
Nutrition
Anthropology
Hygiene
Physiology
and HUNDREDS more.
To the degree we have achieved today. It should be difficult to accept they had mastered theology after numerous preceding permutations.
It is well past time then to discard the superstitions and myths from that same region and era and reject the notion of gods in a manner that represents our substantial cognitive awareness of the worlds around us.
It is great time to leave the church.

Lionheart
Lionheart

If you want to think for yourself - yes. Most people don't. Simply part of the human condition.

ThomasPaulMurphy
ThomasPaulMurphy

We cannot leave the Church while allowing the Church to still exist in its current form! In other words we don't leave anyone behind to be victimized by the Church and false teachings! So we have to refute the Church and change it with the best of our knowledge related to the above fields. But in order to do that we would have to ensure that Church "Management" was never satanic. And I don't know how that can be done without brain scans and Identification Cards! Non Satanic minded could wear their own type of Identification Card more Proudly than those who were issued a dependent minded card, Representing that they are those prone to needing a human sacrifice in life as is represented by the Church!!!! And hence because of that the Church today is not a religion at all! That is a Pagan concept! Sacrificing the Jew Jesus Christ on the Cross is a Pagan Concept! Hence not religion, from the standpoint of in ancient times you either had pagan beliefs or a belief in God. And what does God really mean? It means that in order to live among the rest of us in freedom you better develop human reason and more to the point HUMAN CONSCIENCE! Thomas Paul Murphy

Good and Godless
Good and Godless

Knowing there is no god does not alter allegiance to a particular form of government.
Pretending there is a god and deriving political motivation from what is widely acknowledged to be a work of fiction is a social misdirection away from the actual issues. Issues that are critical to society are being derailed by zealots driven to action by abuse of religious influence into our government.
Nations tried religious tolerance for a couple hundred years - and religion abused the relationship crippling politics, education and abusing the tax system.No more "live and let live" time to amend the constitution and close down these dens of fraud and deceit.
Freedom forever, Religion never.

koala
koala

And I strongly believe that any reasonable person would see the virtue of a wall separating Church and State.

Juan Diego
Juan Diego

Ah, the evangelical atheists- a class act, as always. Does their total lack of social skills indicate narcissism or Asperger's syndrome? Doesn't have to be either/or, could be both/and. Ridicule...always a way to make friends and influence people.

Good and Godless
Good and Godless

Anyone cannot claim to be defending "freedom" and "democracy" while taking orders from an overseas secretive organization which manipulates world economies and dictates diet, education, elections, work schedule and threatens even the thought of malcontentment with an eternity of torture.
No oversees power hoarding pope and not any fictional god has any legal authority in the United States.
Anyone heeding outside directives from these authorities is contributing to the sickening scale of the christ-stain enterprise merits charges of treason against every leader and promoter.
The delusions of religion need to be taught in the most vile and despicable ways. With threats of eternal damnation and false promises of eternal happiness.
Freedom forever - religion never.

jimri
jimri

Expressing one's religious views in public, rather than being forced to hide them, is a freedom we have as citizens of this country. While it's sad to see Christian views being mocked by those that do not share them, it is nonetheless a service that this outlet performs by exposing those who feel proud to denigrate the beliefs of others. This delightful group of individuals who sponsor this open scorn has helpfully published their membership list for us:

https://win.wisc.edu/organization/aha/roster#Page3

We'll await their open ridicule of muslim beliefs too, although since one would expect a more "robust" reaction from that faith's followers, Mr. Erickson and his co-antireligionists are likely to pass on that stunt.

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

jimri What is your purpose of listing the roster of members of this group? Maybe like Pontius Pilate tracking down the Jew/Christians? Will your group be crucifying them, praise the lord??

You said it yourself: "Expressing one's religious views in public, rather than being forced to hide them, is a freedom we have as citizens of this country."

For forty bucks you can join "Freedom From Religion Foundation" right here in Madison. I did and I signed the Walker recall also, any lists you are on that you are Proud to be a part of?

XLBadger
XLBadger

IMO, your views and actions are persecution of Christians and fill the Pontius Pilate role very well ... BTW, Is "Freedom From Religion Foundation" a religious foundation, or just a mockery to "persecute" others exercising their political freedom to worship?

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

The "political freedom to worship" can and must be done in a place devoid of government property. Note the post way above about the Christian yapping on a street corner!

XLBadger
XLBadger

Separation of church and state works both ways ... and your implication is dangerously close to utilizing the states' role to ridicule and persecute Christians practicing religion.

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

Is not the bottom line that the State stay out of religion and Religion stay out of the State?

Good and Godless
Good and Godless

Artificially justifing the legitimacy of any religion by tolerance is clearly a flaw. It is unfair this avenue for social treason was not clearly and fully excluded when the 1st Amendment was drafted. It is time to correct that flaw left by our founding fathers and end constraints imposed by myth and superstition.Change the constitution remove any rights of religion, as it is demonstrated time and time again that churches cannot be trusted with good policy and respect of rule of law.The burden on society is alarming.TAX THE CHURCH! Soon after the IRS, FDA and Consumer Protection will reign reason down upon the church and those that cannot hold up to scrutiny (all of them) will have to shut down.
There is no dilemma - there is no god. Right and wrong are (and always have been derived).
Without the pope's abuse of authority to derail the true discoverers of America their own national course there would not have been such a mishmash of false morality and outright brutality.
The greatest minds of the future will hold not such handicap of a belief in god.
We will get it.

Johann7
Johann7

"We'll await their open ridicule of muslim beliefs too, although since one would expect a more "robust" reaction from that faith's followers, Mr. Erickson and his co-antireligionists are likely to pass on that stunt."

Apparently you're not aware of Everybody Draw Mohammed Day. Secular activists oppose any and all mixing of religion and government, and we criticize and oppose any attempts to use public infrastructure to promote or treat specially ANY religion, including Islam. However, becasue Muslims are a small minority group here in USA, most cases of entangling government and religion involve some Christian sect or other.

elsewhere
elsewhere

Yes!!!!

w8rh3wk5
w8rh3wk5

AHA is being ridiculous.... its okay if there is a freaking Christmas reef.

Lionheart
Lionheart

No a Christmas reef is actually Rastafarianism.

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