Two members of the Wisconsin Legislature are asking Gogebic Taconite to remove masked security guards who are toting semi-automatic rifles and wearing camouflaged uniforms from the mining company’s site in the Penokee Hills forest.

Photos of the guards surfaced over the weekend on the websites of mine opponents.

Sen. Bob Jauch, D-Poplar, said Monday the guards are from Bulletproof Securities, an Arizona company that boasts a “no compromises security force.”

“I’m appalled,” Jauch said. “There is no evidence to justify their presence.”

Jauch said he was especially concerned that the guards are carrying high-powered rifles more appropriate for fighting wars than for guarding construction equipment in a scenic forest that draws scores of hikers and vacationers in addition to mine protesters.

“Do they have the authority to use those weapons? If so, on who?” Jauch said. “I don’t know if there’s a hunting season right now except maybe for rabbit, but you shoot a rabbit with that, all you’ll end up with is fur. What would you use those weapons for except to hurt somebody?”

Gogebic spokesman Bob Seitz laughed at the suggestion that the company would remove the guard detail, which he said was hidden in the forest photographing illegal campers before they were noticed at a test drill site recently. The campers were believed to be potential vandals, Seitz said.

“That’s why none of those (guards) was visible, is because they have been monitoring people on our lands,” Seitz said. “I’m not very concerned about what (weapons) a security firm selects. They have to provide a safe workplace for their people, too.”

Seitz wouldn’t provide other details, except to say Gogebic’s security operations were “multifaceted” and appropriate because of a June 11 incident that led to charges of robbery with use of force and three misdemeanors against Katie M. Kloth, 26.

The Stevens Point woman is alleged to have wrestled a camera from a mine worker who was videotaping her during a protest at a test drilling

site.

All other protests have been peaceful, Iron County Sheriff Tony Furyk said.

Republicans in the state Legislature approved a polarizing mining bill in March over environmentalists’ objections. The law is designed to allow Gogebic to open a 41/2-mile open pit so it can dig for iron ore. The company is now test drilling in eight spots a few miles southeast of Copper Falls State Park.

Security guards with sidearms appeared at drill sites after June 11. Three camouflaged guards with assault rifles and face masks appeared a few days ago, said Paul DeMain, editor of the Hayward-based News from Indian County.

“Some of the local people are wondering what the heck? It’s come to a sad situation when you’ve got to have a machine gun to protect a business that people around here don’t want,” said DeMain, an opponent of the mine who posted video online of a semi-automatic rifle unattended on the seat of a truck at a drilling site. The video shows a guard a short distance away.

A woman who answered the phone at Bulletproof Securities offices in Scottsdale, Ariz., said no one was available to comment.

The Bulletproof website says its personnel are equipped with “armor,” high-tech equipment and a variety of lethal and non-lethal weapons.

“Complacency is no longer an option when a breach can result in excessive amounts of lost time, money and additional liability for your firm,” the website states. “Our operators participate in rigorous tactical firearms training on a weekly basis. We train with pistols, carbines, submachine guns, belt-fed machine guns, and edged weapons.”

Jauch and Rep. Janet Bewley, D-Ashland, wrote a letter to the mine company Monday asking for the guards to be withdrawn before they hurt someone or damage northern Wisconsin’s image.

“We cannot begin to describe how upset the citizens of northern Wisconsin are at the sight of our forests being patrolled by masked soldiers carrying military style assault weapons like mercenaries in a time of war,” the letter states, calling deployment of the guards a “confrontational and incendiary step that will clearly do more to intimidate local citizens and increase local tensions than it will to make you, your staff, or your equipment any safer.”

Kimberlee Wright, executive director of Midwest Environmental Advocates in Madison, said she is concerned that guards would prevent public access to the Penokee Hills forest, which is privately owned but open for public recreation under a tax-break agreement.

“This is just kind of bad form for G-Tac,” Wright said. “It’s just complete overkill and it’s pretty scary. We don’t want anyone to shoot anybody.”

Steven Verburg is a reporter covering politics with a focus on environmental issues for the Wisconsin State Journal.

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Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

It looks like the President of Gogebic may be guilty of the same thing he says the protestors are guilty of: assault, and snatching things out of the hands of others.

Here's an excerpt of the story:


Mine opponent accuses GTAC president of assault
By Rick Olivo / Staff Writer | Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 12:43 am

An opponent of the proposed Gogebic Taconite (GTAC) mine in Ashland and Iron counties has filed a report with City of Ashland Police, alleging he was assaulted by GTAC President Bill Williams on Thursday at the Ashland County Courthouse after the Ashland County Board overwhelmingly approved a pair of mining-related ordinances.

David Joe Bates, a Bad River Tribal member from Odanah, said Williams snatched a cellphone he was using to record a conversation between Williams and Ashland County Administrator Jeff Beirl following the meeting.

“Bill Williams was angry with the passage of the zoning ordinance and he took his rage out on me,” Bates said in an email to The Daily Press. “By the way, I have been diagnosed with a hyperextended shoulder as a direct result of this assault. I’ll be lawyering up!”

Bates asserted on a Facebook posting that Williams “ripped the cell phone right out of my hand.”

For his part, Williams denied that any assault took place.

http://www.ashlandwi.com/news/article_9ba571a8-dafe-11e2-8a90-001a4bcf887a.html

michaelmcda
michaelmcda

Yes, and if we accept the argument by some among us that the ridiculous actions by the Kim Kloth Gang justify the use of Bulletproof militaristic forces to protect the property and employees of GTAC, then we must also accept the use of militaristic forces to protect the life and property of those who stand in opposition to the mine. Accepting such arguments leads us to negotiating our oppositional relationships under the points of guns and I look upon such developments with interest and dread.

michaelmcda
michaelmcda

I also find it absolutely disgusting that our state leadership stands by as outside interests defile the rule of Law and Order in our state and that some among our state leadership actually state tacit support of such violations to our ability to police ourselves.

michaelmcda
michaelmcda

Let's try this again, and, I will tone down the rhetoric a bit since that may have caused the admin folks here to pull my previous post. For full disclosure, I am Oklahoma Cherokee and not a member of any Band of Lake Superior Chippewa.

Ex-Madisonian writes:

"What I would really like to see is every Native American within a 300 mile radius pack up all the guns and ammo they have and take the big drums out there and beat on them and sing 24/7 for a good two or three weeks... show these Arizona boys how we do things up north in Wisconsin!"

Why in world would we as Native people choose to repeat history and place ourselves directly between the neocolonialist regime and those non-Native people working in its opposition? Our ancestors signed Treaties to put an end to such conflicts and avoid just such a potentially catastrophic situation. Treaties are the Supreme Law of the Land. And, our ancestors, with great foresight, understood their power and we would be dishonoring their extreme intelligence if we took such a provocative stance at this stage of the relationship in these matters.

Those supporting the mine, or the right of the company to "defend" itself with assault rifles, display a callous disregard for the laws of their own Nation by rallying in support of such reactionary behavior when considering such reactions in the context of the Nation to Nation treaty relationship between the Bad RIver Band of Lake Superior Chippewa and the United States.

Others here have spoken of the Ojibwe's appropriate response to these new acts of non-Native to Native aggression and if you wish to be of service in these mattes, I strongly urge you to get in touch with the very people with whom James Richard Bailey works in the Northern Woods of WI.

Finally, to the people who continue to toss out the charge of hypocrisy regarding the poor performance of the Bad River Band's sewage treatment plant, it is my understanding the tribe is and has been working to address the issues over the past several years and improvements are being made and that water quality standards are safe. Now, that does not excuse the tribe for their bad management. Tribal leadership screws things up just as well as local and State leadership screw things up. Humans are fallible. Ecological damage needs to be addressed and corrected whenever and wherever it occurs. But, I fail to see how or why we should not excuse the folks of Bad River and yet excuse the Gogebic Mining folks when it is revealed that the mine will cause harm to a rather beautiful place on this earth. So, if you want to do something positive why not work constructively with the tribe to address whatever environmental concerns you may have with their management of their sewage plant instead of using such mismanagement as an excuse to allow further harm to the environment. I see little benefit in such a position to any of us.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

I understand your point and it is well taken. Although you may have taken it as such, it was not a serious comment and just a plain dumb thing to say on my part.

I worked for the Mole Lake Band for close to three years and Red Cliff Band as well after that. Although I DO NOT speak for them in any way shape or form, and it is only my opinion and no one elses... I will say this: What WE did, yes, the non Native American staff and the tribal members who were staff, at the service of the general tribal population, was to set a precedent of the Mole Lake Band defending their treaty rights through an EPA partnership that the federal courts upheld in a seven year battle the State pushed to basically rip off Mole Lake of their expressly spelled out treaty rights.

The PROBLEM I have here is that there is an UNLAWFUL CORPORATION taking what is not theirs.

More specifically, any source of point or non point pollution (and I use that term loosely to apply to sediment as well as any other contaminants) is ALREADY illegal under the treaties. People also seem to be very confused about the technical issues actually are. While the State may allow filling in of wetlands and streams now, it is still the JOB of the Federal government to protect the waters of the US and if need be to revoke the power of the State to permit anything.

If the lawsuits have not been filed against the State of Wisconsin from the Bad River Band with the help of the EPA, they are not very far off. At least the Feds have set the precedent of backing up the tribes here. However, with that being said, it really torques me off that these Florida mining companies have the ability to do this in a place where I and many others have spent years and years, several decades, of protecting the resource.

Just as an FYI, not all the Chippewa tribes agreed to peacefully enter into treaty agreements with the British/ US government. Leech Lake Band certainly did not. But, the State DID enter into INTERNATIONAL agreements with Canada to protect the quantity of water in the watershed, which the State is also ignoring.

michaelmcda
michaelmcda

Hey Ex,

No need to worry about most of what we post in here. And, there may come a point in this whole developing idiocy that leaders of the State of WI have brought up on us all where some of the actions you called for in your original post may be needed and or warranted. But, as I see it, now is not that point and time. I am sure the folks of Mole Lake and all of us other Native people and our fellow citizens of WI greatly appreciated and continue to appreciate all of the positive effective actions by non-Native folks such as yourself during times such as these. And, yes, I am aware that some tribes remain outside of Treaty relationships with the U.S. and that given the abrogation of so many treaties by the U.S. and the creeping jurisdiction by the various State and Corporatist that declarations of war always serve as an option, but, we are nowhere near such a place yet and I hope we may avoid such a point in time.

Wado

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

Megwitch!

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James Richard Bailey
James Richard Bailey

Michael, you exhibit common sense. I'm just another chimokemon concerned about helping out here, and I implore folks to follow the lead of the Bad River Band of Lake Superior Anishinaabeg. Some quiet visits to the site, bring some asema to be properly offered, and food to share. That is good enough. And writing when I can about what is going on, as I did here: http://www.opednews.com/articles/Penokee-Hills-occupiers-se-by-James-Richard-Bail-130709-583.html#comment439757. Mino bimaadiziwin, brother.

Northwoodsvet
Northwoodsvet

Hmmmmm. Wonder why these military wannabes have to wear masks?

Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

@Northwoodsvet;

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread (@Norwood44?) that they might be mosquito netting masks. I hang out ~ 20 to 25 miles NNW from you, 4 miles north of Upson on Hwy 122 (Weber Lake) and will unequivocally attest the bugs are the worst they've been in the ~20 years I've been going up there.

My 82 year-old uncle-in-law can't recall them being this bad, and he has a memory like a steel trap and not given to exaggeration. My grandfather-in-law ( a timberman, conservationist & member of the WI Conservation Hall Of Fame who has an exhibit in the Iron County Historical Society) In his book of life in Iron County in the early 1900's, he wrote that there'd be 5 men for every job in the woods were it not for the bugs & the black flies.

He got that right!

These guys are from AZ and not used to it, like you, myself, and others. I'm not fond of the bugs, but realize that enjoying the northwoods involves some compromise.

I remember bringing up both my extended family and that of the lovely Mrs. Gotch for our wedding 10 years ago. Her family is used to it, like me and those of my family that do live here, but my brother from DE, SIL from China, sister from WA and their citified children?

That was the summer of the "friendly flies," the ones that didn't bite. Even so, with all the other insectified action to boot, they freaked!

My point? could be other, non-conspiracy-related, reasons why non-residents, essentially working in the woods, "have to wear masks," if in fact they're actually wearing "masks."

That said, there are any number of reasons for which I'd recommend the use of "masks" for Lefties, and I'd settle for muzzles.

The Gotch

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

Gotch--blah-blah-blah. They are Taliban being trained now with voucher dollars.

Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

@Crow Barr;

Well, my goodness! It's a mystery to me why no one else with similarly enviable synaptic connectivity had not yet concluded the very same thing.

Interesting...um...take. Don't be offended if I delay any endorsement until I hear what Jesse Ventura has to say.

"I'd recommend the use of "masks" for Lefties, and I'd settle for muzzles."

Forgot to include "mittens," for keyboard punishing fingers...

The Gotch

mhazzard
mhazzard

"Gotch" thinks sulfuric acid laced drinking water tastes Grreat!!!...

Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

@mhazzard (below);

Actually The Gotch prefers the cool, clean aftertaste provided by the water north of the Bad River treatment plant.

And don't discount the attendant fiber and ruffage content, something it appears we all could use more of in our diets.

The Gotch

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Crow Barr
Crow Barr

Gotch, leave Ollie Mae out of this, they are Taliban being trained with voucher dollars.

Norby
Norby

This seems like the closest thing to the "black helicopters" the far right is paranoid about.

spooky tooth
spooky tooth

A picture is worth a thousand words and this is what the republicans want the US to look like. Welcome to AmeriKa.

Beingbucky
Beingbucky

I know the point of all these posts is to make extreme points in an attempt to "win."

I don't want to play that game; instead I would like to make an observation. Either people have totally lost the ability to have nuanced thoughts (as Orwell predicted) because of the hyperbolic rhetoric that politics has made commonplace, or no one wants to make nuanced statements because they don't "win." I wouldn't be concerned if the intolerant, extreme remarks are just a game, but I really fear that how we speak is becoming how we think.

So, guards are guards and mines are mines. Doesn't matter what kind of guards. Doesn't matter what kind of mineral extraction or what the short and long term consequences will be. Doesn't matter what the local people think. Doesn't matter if GT SHOULD as along as they CAN. Doesn't matter if escalation of tension causes more tension, and eventually loss of life (which personally I find hard to reconcile with loss of property).

The nuances don't matter. All that matters is who can shout the loudest. Have fun with your game, but fear for your ability to be truly rational about anything, ever.

bananahammock
bananahammock

Well said Beingbucky.

BananaSplitz
BananaSplitz

This doesn't look like my state anymore, that's for sure. I am sad.

Norwood44
Norwood44

My concern is that there is opposition to the mine simply because it is happening under Walker. A more rational, less politically emotional analysis would be welcome. A balanced view re the economic realities of northern Wisconsin, vs environmental implications. Are there any links that someone could use for reference that offer some objectivity?

witness2012
witness2012

norwood, explore the work of Dr. Tom Powers. He put together a nice calculus of costs/benefits of mining activity that every city/region considering it should consider.

He's a mining consultant who used to operate out of Montana. Here's one of his presentations: http://mn.water.usgs.gov/projects/tesnar/2011/Presentations/TMPower%20Benefis-Costs%20of%20Mining%20WLk%20Superior.pdf

Norwood44
Norwood44

Thanks witness. I also read the Sierra Club statement and pdf.

James Richard Bailey
James Richard Bailey

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/11/1201106/-Science-info-on-iron-mine-in-Wisconsin-s-Penokee-Hills

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Penokee-Hills-occupiers-se-by-James-Richard-Bail-130709-583.html#comment439757

http://www.glifwc.org/TreatyRights/treatyrights.html

Victor_Berger
Victor_Berger

Gee... you should have thought of that two years ago before you and your pals declared class war.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Victor. First, I didn't vote for Walker. Secondly, ACT 10 wasn't class war. It was a recalibration of an unbalanced contract that benefitted a politically powerful minority of government workers at the expense of average citizens. Such hyperbole weakens credibility. Now, back to the mine issue.

James Richard Bailey
James Richard Bailey

Good words, Bucky. I beg people to follow the lead of the people who matter, the Ojibwa Tribe. They are working this in a good way, with plenty of nuance. I especially recommend listening to Bad River Tribal Chairman Mike Wiggins Jr. https://www.facebook.com/mwigginsjr.1

robertsthc
robertsthc

Wow, Post a picture of someone with a semi auto rifle and camouflage and every liberal in WI has a stroke. In the north woods more than half the people always look like this.

Northwoodsvet
Northwoodsvet

Sorry, Robert . . . I've been in the northwoods for the past 22 years never saw this sort of thing.

Yes . . . I'm a vet and owner of a weapon.

Just a little bit of advice . . . know what you're talking about before you post such drivel.

Retoother
Retoother

I've been going up for over 40 years.......have seen plenty of people dressed like that. Even one guy with an 18' knife strapped to his leg one time.

Northwoodsvet
Northwoodsvet

Plenty? Yes. "More than half" as Robert said? Ha.

Anyway . . . I have never seen "plenty" of people" dressed in masks.

You may have been coming up here for 40 years . . . I've been living up here for 22 years . . . and I've never seen this sort of thing.

I live in the southern part of the state and most of my neighbors look like this at some times of the year.
We bowhunt, gun hunt and use weapons year round.

spooky tooth
spooky tooth

middleofextremeright, these guys are hunting people.

robertsthc
robertsthc

You've never seen a man in camouflage with a rifle in the woods? You need to get out more. I'm also a Vet (Retired) and a 20 year L.E.O. Stuff your drivel.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

What I would really like to see is every Native American within a 300 mile radius pack up all the guns and ammo they have and take the big drums out there and beat on them and sing 24/7 for a good two or three weeks... show these Arizona boys how we do things up north in Wisconsin!

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

These "Arizona Boys" as you call them are very likely locals sub contracted for security through Bulletproof . Besides , they are only doing their jobs . Why all the hate and animosity towards them ? Your suggestion is idiotic and troubling !

witness2012
witness2012

There is no evidence that they are local residents. In fact, the operatives from this company replaced locals who had been providing security at the site and had done it well.

They didn't need to carry semi-automatic rifles either.

Retoother
Retoother

So you know for sure they do not have to carry semi auto's? You are their insurance rep? Your company is getting paid to protect people or property and you are going to send them out there with a single shot 12ga? So when people get injured out property gets you go back to your insurance that has to cover the costs with the "I sent them out there with a single shot........we're good!"


You do not know their company policy or their requirements for insurance anymore than the rest of us......but yes judge away.

witness2012
witness2012

retooth, local law enforcement officers don't carry semi-automatic weapons and police the area very well. Both the opinion of the Ashland county and Iron County sheriffs are that these type of high powered military grade weapons are unnecessary and will escalate tensions.

I would trust the law enforcement in the field to make that determination.

And, yes, I've spent time up there recently. Have you?

security personnel carry weapons at businesses all over the state every day.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

What you fail to understand is that any Anishinabeg (Chippewa) tribal member, regardless of location in Ceeded Territory (most of the northern half of the state of Wisconsin) is having their treaty rights (those same rights that the American government ensured with the signing of the original treaties) violated by the mining company coming in and taking their resources from them without their permission first.

I do not think it is unreasonable at all for people who have been ripped off for well over two decades to bring whatever they like, regardless of how you or any other person feels about it, onto their Ceeded Territory and practice their own religion. It is not any more unreasonable than a corporation, that is not protected by treaties with the US government, to do so.

Apparently, you think corporations must have more rights than the indigenous people who are being royally you know what by this entire unilateral takeover of the resources that the US government has sworn to protect.

Rosalie
Rosalie

"I do not think it is unreasonable at all for people who have been ripped off for well over two decades"

You meant "well over two centuries" didn't you?
"

What the heck would that prove and for what reason?

spooky tooth
spooky tooth

middleofextremeright, you are getting all bent out of shape about weapons designed to kill people. Were you ever or now part of the posse comitatus?

wishiwasgolfing
wishiwasgolfing

Way to go Gogebic! Since the police are going to look the other way hiring your own security is the only rational solution. If the protesters had left Gogebic's employees and property alone this would not have been necessary. There was a change in the legislature and Gogebic is legally following the rules. If you don't like it, tough luck. Learn to live with it.

Rosalie
Rosalie

So why didn't they hire locally, not that I'm in favor of armed mercenary types, but there must be ex-military in the area who need the work.

Personally if I lived in a relatively pristine wilderness area, I would leave rather than take a local job that harmed it.

LitigiousLibertarian
LitigiousLibertarian

They had to go out of state because they needed MEN.

Northwoodsvet
Northwoodsvet

Then why'd they hire wimps who look like military wannabes?

witness2012
witness2012

They had hired local, off-duty LEOs to protect the site after the vandalism incident and it worked very well.

witness2012
witness2012

How did the police look the other way?

On the one incident of vandalism, someone was taken into custody within 48 hours and is being charged with a felony and a couple of misdemeanors. No one looks the other way and there was only one incident at the site.

On July 5th, however, someone in a four-wheeler stole three tribal flags outside of the Harvest camp, approximately 4:30 am. But, that is also being investigated by area law enforcement.

michaelmcda
michaelmcda

And you call this Christian culture civilized ? Well, after 521 years you begin to show your ugliness yet again. I think we could all use some verses of the great William Butler Yeats:

THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

smithy
smithy

Northern Wisconsin looks too dangerous to vacation in. Best we all take our vacations in much friendlier and safer Minnesota.

Retoother
Retoother

Like where you would stop at the rest area is get robbed by the Native American gangs? You talking those safe places?

Northwoodsvet
Northwoodsvet

What N.A gangs????? I've been in Lac du Flambeau for 22 years and have not yet seen these "gangs" of which you speak..

Retoother
Retoother

Minnesota had a problem with them for many years......took the FBI to break them down.

Northwoodsvet
Northwoodsvet

And here I thought we were talking about Wisconsin . . . not the Minnesota of the past and your paranoid concerns.

Fartinthewind
Fartinthewind

Just wondering:

Does Wisconsin have laws or some kind regulatory regime for armed security guards?

witness2012
witness2012

The Department of Professional Services requires a private security firm to get a permit and has all personnel undergo background checks.

There doesn't appear to be a record of BulletProof Services getting a permit. Since they won't talk to anyone, it's difficult to confirm it. So, people are filing complaints with the DPS to find out if they've gotten the proper authorization.

This is nobody's business. It is private land and anyone can hire guards to protect their land if they want. Companies have armed security all the time and if someone trespasses on their land they will confront them and keep the premises safe. I own land and weapons. I hunt, and if I want to walk the perimeter of MY land with My guns I will. It may not be good PR for the company but allowing vandalism isn't good either.

witness2012
witness2012

It ISN'T private land. It's MFL status land which allows public access in exchange for drastically reduced property taxes.

There had been private security furnished by local LEO's, off-duty, who kept the site secure but know how to police and deal with people and who did not carry this type of weaponry. There was one incident of vandalism and it is being prosecuted by area law enforcement.

Now, you have an out of state private security force made up of ex-military with military-style assault weapons. Isn't that 'over the top" even for you?

Retoother
Retoother

It is private land...........it's open to the public.

How did those off duty officers do when the nut jobs stopped production?

Not very well I might add.

witness2012
witness2012

The off-duty officers weren't hired until after June 11th. That was the first day of drilling and that was the day of the vandalism incident.

Once they took over security, there were no further incidents.

Retoother
Retoother

"Once they took over security, there were no further incidents."

That does not mean anything. Do you know why they were replaced? Like me you don't.........there was a reason and a lot of times it is scheduling conflicts with their everyday jobs.

witness2012
witness2012

retoother, LOTS of area LEO's happy to pick up another shift, working security at the site for good wages.

Unless you have evidence that there was some kind of shortage of local guys- debatable- don't put it out there.

MFL land is OWNED by a private person. They must allow public access as part of the MFL agreement, but They still OWN it. I own MFL land and am quite sick of people thinking it's somehow public land. When you pay $3-4k/acre tell me how Public it is.

ThreadKiller
ThreadKiller

What property tax do you pay on the MFL land? How much would you pay if it was not MFL? Therein lies your dilemna...you took the money and you lose control of the land.

newprogressive
newprogressive

Good God, how can ANYBODY support this insanity??!! Some of these "posters" have got to be paid off to say they see nothing wrong here and welcome this mining disaster. Nice legacy for your children...a polluted environment, people living in fear, uncontrolled high capacity wells draining our fresh water, wetlands destroyed, species lost, habitats devastated. Our state is being destroyed in front of our eyes and you support what's being done?! How many of these "supporters" are not even in Wisconsin??? Probably sitting in some ALEC office somewhere getting scripts handed to them. God help us.

aspire
aspire

WOW! New progressive, put the bowl down.Throw some water on your face and get a reality check. I seriously hope you find some help.

array1
array1

Speaking of reality, a little research shows that the owners of GT have a history of polluting the sites they mine.

aspire
aspire

Have you ever heard the expression, if it isn't grown its mined? Wake up! Pay attention. The bell didn't ring.

marlori
marlori

we need more as angry as newprogressive-- WI is too complacent about our rights being taken away and our state being polluted.

Norwood44
Norwood44

newpro. Do you use any materials that are created from minerals? Do you use heat? Do you drive a car? Or a bike? Do you have cooking pans? Eating utensils? Tools? Ever had surgery? Cross a bridge? Where do you think the material that elevates your life above The Stone Age comes from? And how do you think we should obtain them? Should we do all our mining overseas with no environmental oversight? With greater cost and energy expenditure? Should we leave it to the Third World to fuel our consumer economy? There are mines all over America. How is your drinking water? Has the world come to an end? Sure we need to be smart about our resources, but you can't have things both ways. Unless you live a mineral free life, you need to view mining in a different light. You consume the very products you condemn. It is intellectually bankrupt to scream the sky is falling while typing on a laptop made from products mined from the earth. Of course we need to be environmentally smart. But we need minerals to exist.

witness2012
witness2012

Whether to mine in a particular site depends on many specific factors including the dynamics of the ecosystem, especially the water, the quality of the ore, and the advantages and disadvantages to the region.

Asserting that the Penokees is a bad site for an open pit iron ore mine, given its proximity to Lake Superior and the complicated hydrology of the area- as well as the poor quality of iron ore- is examining the trade-offs and specifics of this region for this type of resource extractive activity.

It is not the same as claiming mining can never happen or should never happen.

Norwood44
Norwood44

That is a fair point. Are they not testing to make that very determination right now? I need to learn more about this particular proposed site. Thanks for the perspective. I also look forward to the views of the DNR folks on site.

I guess we are all better off having mining and the jobs that go with it done in China and elsewhere. I'm sure they will be better stewards of the environment and the 1 universal ecosystem??!! you do realize it's all the same water right?

Thanks Norwood. I wonder how many of the environmentalists will respond with any truth or reason

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

Do do do do 👽

probably sitting in my house here in good old Wisconsin reading your babble.
I support anyone's right to protect their own property from vandals and troublemakers.
If they were on your land what would you do? AND I support the mining industry and the jobs it will bring to the area.

BananaSplitz
BananaSplitz

When I look at this picture, I hear banjos...

Norby
Norby

BannaSplitz,
You got that right!! The Scottie cronies are getting so over the top that even right wingers are having a hard time identifying with them.

stcroixcarp
stcroixcarp

And guess what, they are from "Scotts"dale. Isn't that cute?

BananaSplitz
BananaSplitz

Wow. That'll keep those pesky tourists off of state land. Don't want them to see what they'll be missing once it's ruined.

Retoother
Retoother

It's not state land.....it is private land that is open to the public.

BananaSplitz
BananaSplitz

"...privately owned but open for public recreation under a tax-break agreement." One ought to be able to walk through there, based on this agreement, even with his or her own concealed carry, and not have to worry about some trigger happy mall ninja wiping out the family out while they are looking for Copper Falls on a lark...

witness2012
witness2012

I wish they were mall ninjas. Instead, it looks as if the majority got their training in Iraq and Afghanistan. Police training is very different from military training.

Retoother
Retoother

Might want to read the rules of the MFL Open.....I am sure if the owner has an operation going on that could injure or kill someone then can restrict access to certain areas of the property until the operation is complete.

They are only protecting it against vandals and miscreants. hikers and hunters are fine. If htis passes the years long permitting process and any actual mining is to occur they will probably purchase the land or remove it from the MFL program

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Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

@wishiwasgolfing;

The mine could be relocated to that vacant gas station on Monroe Street and give Davey Maraniss something to REALLY weenie-whine about.

Of course the only commodity there would be gross Lefty hypocrisy, the price of which has dropped considerably due to over-supply.

The Gotch

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ThreadKiller
ThreadKiller

These guards need to wear masks? When was the last time you saw a security guard wearing a mask? The Contras wore them, I remember that.

TruthDefender
TruthDefender

I can't condone the vandalism caused by protesters at the mine site, but this is over the top and reminds me of things I used to see in third-world nations.

If this is, in fact, public land, are there not laws being broken here? How is it that wardens, law enforcement and BATF are not verifying that the "guards" are not in fact violating any state or federal laws governing the type of weapons they are carrying, or whether they should be allowed to carry them at all on public lands?

If I was found walking with firearms in a state forest or park, or county-owned land in July and got spotted by a warden or law enforcement official, there is no doubt that I would be stopped and questioned and, if in some sort of violation of the law, cited for it.

If I was walking on public land and confronted by one of these armed "guards," what would be our respective rights? Do they in fact have any right at all to restrict movement on this land?

Is anyone actually verifying which, if any, laws are involved here?

Retoother
Retoother

Actually in Wis we have an open carry law........we can walk around on state land with guns strapped to our hips or shoulders.

array1
array1

Most places in Madison you can not carry a fire arm, open or concealed. All for the best.

Retoother
Retoother

Depends on the situation.......I do not see where he said Madison anywhere in his post though........but yes the world revolves around Madison.

LitigiousLibertarian
LitigiousLibertarian

It's perfectly legal to carry a firearm in Madison, openly without a license or concealed with a concealed carry license. Wisconsin state law preempts Madison firearms ordinances.

LitigiousLibertarian
LitigiousLibertarian

It occurred to me that you may have been referring to businesses which are posted with "gun buster" signs, in which case you are correct. However, they account for a minority of businesses.

array1
array1

Good luck getting your weapon into any badger game!

Here are few public areas in Madison where you may not carry a firearm;
-Any school or school property
-Any bus or transit shelter
-Any park or park shelter
-Weapons are banned in all City and County owned and operated buildings
-City employees are prohibited from carrying weapons while working or in a City owned vehicle.
- All UW property and buildings

While the law changes gun regulations in the State of Wisconsin, there are still restrictions on allowing concealed weapons in City of Madison-owned, occupied and controlled buildings.

Retoother
Retoother

We are not talking about Madison Array....so move on.

What I don't understand and don't agree with on the concealed carry law is if it's legal then how/why ban it in Public places? If it's legal then it absolutely should be allowed in all public buildings. If someone were to get attacked in a public bulding they should sue the state for preventing them from being allowed to protect themselves.

ObbieZ
ObbieZ

I don't understand why every news story on this issue includes a picture of a thug without a mask. THESE THUGS ARE ALL WEARING MASKS! I can't see how that's legal.

I think the AP, Wisc. State Journal, Chippewa Herald, La Crosse Tribune, Cap Times and every other paper that publishes this same picture is being deceptive by omission. It is the ONLY picture I have seen where the security thug is not wearing a mask.

More accurate pictures are at http://www.bluecheddar.net/?p=33877

LitigiousLibertarian
LitigiousLibertarian

It's not illegal to be armed while wearing a mask (or to wear a mask while armed, if you prefer). If you had been at the Capitol on 01/19/2013, you'd have seen plenty of masks.

They are on private property and are employed by the owner. Nothing wrong with that.

Harvey
Harvey

Anybody given any thought as to why the mercenaries are not in the military or national guard or police departments or even DNR wardens? My guess they are not welcome because of a mental concern or they had these professions at one time and either could not make the grade or were kicked out/fired. Face it. These people are losers with a gun.

CER2112
CER2112

Harvey - I "guess" you are wrong (or please provide links backing up your claims).

bananahammock
bananahammock

My "guess" is these guards were honorably discharged from the military after serving their country Another "guess" is that there is more money in private security and these people are financially well educated. Just a couple of guesses though.

Your guesses are ridiculous. Maybe you shouldn't speculate on something you have no idea about? Making things up about people you've never seen or met. hypocrit

Harvey
Harvey

I am surprised conservatives defend out of state mercenaries being hired to protect an out of state mining company. But they would be spitting froth if Obama sent the Wisconsin National guard in to do the same.

pete
pete

and the bullets in the guns of security guards at West Town, our schools, concerts, sporting events, airports, etc are different how? Folks, we are around guns all the time, if you don't want to get shot don't destroy/steal what's not yours. pretty simple.

array1
array1

I never noticed that the guards at West town and high schools carry semi auto assault rifles.

Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

@array1;

"I never noticed that the guards at West town and high schools carry semi auto assault rifles."

They don't.

I believe @pete was referencing the "bullets" rather than the type of "gun," wouldn't you agree?

I've been on a lot of beaches in Mexico and the Caribbean that were patrolled with assault rifle armed guards; as long ago as 1985 in Acapulco.

Must have been a reason.

The Gotch

witness2012
witness2012

The bullets are different in a sidearm vs a semi-automatic rifle beause the rifle has a 30 shot clip which can be emptied in less than a minutes vs a single shot.

Rapid fire clips are more lethal than bullets fired in single shots.

bananahammock
bananahammock

@witness2012;
"The bullets are different in a sidearm vs a semi-automatic rifle beause the rifle has a 30 shot clip which can be emptied in less than a minutes vs a single shot."

What??? Did you research this? Me thinks not. You're seriously just spouting nonsense now. Look at what the nutjob Jared Loughner used during the Rep Giffords attack. I'll save you the trouble. It was a Glock 19 *SIDEARM* that could hold 31, yes *31* bullets. The rate of fire from this *SIDEARM* is just as fast as the semi-automatic rifle in question.

I'd suggest a little education or at least research instead of just spouting out of fear and ignorance.


witness2012
witness2012

BH, the comment was to compare the potential lethality of a bullet when placed in a semi-automatic assault rifle vs a bullet when placed in the type of sidearm used by most security forces and LEO's, NOT all potential sidearms.

I stand by my statement that the type of weapons used by Bulletproof securities can inflict more damage when used than the typical sidearm.

array1
array1

@bananahammock - 1 hour ago

Oh I see now. Bullettproof carries assault rifles because they are less lethal than sidearms.

bananahammock
bananahammock

@witness2012 (& array1 just for the heck of it)
Not sure if you think LEOs are are still walking around with a Barney Fife 6-shooter but here in Dane county the 17 round capacity Glock 17 is standard issue for officers and deputies (go ahead, email and ask them). Also, 20 of them (Tactical Response Team) roll around with one of these big, mean looking assault rifles in their cars on a daily basis. Also, ask around and the Glock is pretty standard issue all over the state and beyond. But you're right, simple math tells us that 13 more rounds in the mag of an AR will inflict more damage than the 17 in the Glock, based upon the user unloading the entire weapon at the intruder.

How about we agree on this? The only people who need worry about this are people violating the law at the mine site. Can we agree on that?

badger313
badger313

The great majority of private security guards actually do not carry weapons, they carry radios with which they can call in the police if needed. As for those guards who do carry weapons, I'd certainly hope that they are not being trained to consider deadly force as a deterrent for shoplifting or vandalism.

Carrying weapons is only justified when human lives might be threatened. There's been no indication that this is the case in northern Wisconsin.

They already attacked the workers there once. I guess some people don't want to wiat around until someone gets hurt and if something does happen they don't want to be the Ones who get hurt.

Harvey
Harvey

Look at that picture and tell me that guy is not one loud noise away from triggering PTSD. He lives for the opportunity to shoot just one human being - preferable a kid he mistakes for a protester.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Harvey. Were you as equally irate with Madison Police officer Heimsness? Just curious.

ThreadKiller
ThreadKiller

I was.

Not me. I felt officer Heimsness was attacked by a bunch of Madison liberals who didn't know anything about that topic either. The guy did his job, was called to a break in, arrived to find the homeowner struggling with the guy who was bombed. the guy refused to follow orders and tehn reached for his gun and was shot. Later they brought out a bunch of trumped up charges like he siad inappropriate things to co-workers. I wonder how many people have siad something inappropriate to co-workers and are ridiculing this guy. I'm sure I said something wrong to somebody just today. pathetic.

robertsthc
robertsthc

Dumb Assumption. I hope when you're getting mugged someday that you don't rely on a retail salesman to save your butt.

Norwood44
Norwood44

I think the semi auto armed guards are a bit much unless there has been some serious damage to property and threat to workers. But folks who spend any time in the Northwoods know that there are folks with guns and camo all over the place in the woods. You hear gunfire nearly every day, if not for hunting, then from gun ranges. So what may seem like a frightening image to folks down south is a pretty normal look up north. Also, the masks might be mosquito nets. The bugs are very bad this year as there has been lots of rain. If you are spending a lot of time in the woods, you would wear one. For what it is worth.

good point on the mosquito nets. I bet you're right on that one.

Harvey
Harvey

Guards? They remind me of the mercenaries you see in Iraq. I wonder how many were dishonorable discharged.

ThreadKiller
ThreadKiller

There is no shortage of jobs for people who are willing to continue doing what they volunteered to do in our wars for profit. The question is this: Who is paying for this security? Is it coming out of some state slush fund? I doubt Geobic is happily paying these guys the going rate for Blackwater wannabes.

robertsthc
robertsthc

Another Stupid Assumption. Why don't you do a little research to see the hiring criteria of Bulletproof Securities. They are probably more experienced and highly trained that most of the L.E. in Wisconsin. There is very little incentive to hire a dishonorably discharged veteran when there are 1000's already working in the Bourgeoning industry.

Harvey
Harvey

Little did we know that when republicans said the mine would create jobs they meant paramilitary jobs.

fluteplayer
fluteplayer

We did know that most jobs would go to non-wisconsinites, though.

aspire
aspire

One thing we know for sure. If there is violence, destruction, hate it will be done by the left. It's their MO. When have the lefties ever done anything that doesn't incorporate these three ideals that define them?

Harvey
Harvey

Yeah. We know that for sure.

aspire
aspire

See, Harvey and I agree on something.

Norwood44
Norwood44

I have issues with the wolf hunt, and want to learn more about the taconite mine. But folks up North are in dire need of work. It would be great if they could get good jobs with a mining model that is environmentally smart. On a different note, the use of the words "fascism" and "dictator" etc is so ignorant it's chilling. Walker was elected legally. Twice actually. If you don't like Walker, which is a fair position to have, get to work on creating a message and finding a candidate who can beat him. Right now, there isn't one and there should be. One reason there isn't one is that all the crazies and their Nazi rhetoric are keeping sane Dems from running because they don't even want to be associated with such nutballs. Please, could some sane Dems post in this site and explain why we should oppose the mine beyond the mere fact that Walker supports it? I would welcome the perspective and others might too.

ThreadKiller
ThreadKiller

Big difference between the words "fascism" and "Nazi". Nazis were especially good at what they did and they deserve the high rung on the ladder that they attained. Fascism however, has been shadowing our right wing political parties for decades. It is an ideology which is clearly embodied in the John Birch Society followers like the Kochs, Walton, and Devos families. It's appropriate terminology for what is happening in WI, TX, SC, NC, FL...basically all the red states with ALEC bills in the legislature. Sorry to pop your bubble.

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

Well that took forever to tie ALEC and the Koch Bros. to this issue .You lefties are slipping but I knew it would show up!

aspire
aspire

Threadkiller, Explain the difference between fascism and obama's ideology. Trick question. There is no difference.

JohnGalt2016
JohnGalt2016

Well said Norwood. Many of the posters are saying the mine will pollute the environment which is not true. What is true is the Bad River Tribe wastewater has been polluting everything downstream. Lefties where is the outrage over that?

array1
array1

Apparently the owners of GT have a history of polluting the sites they mine.

gobi
gobi

So John, you say the mine will not pollute. That sir is a LIE.

hankdog
hankdog

galt:

Unless you can prove otherwise you are lying. DNR, USGS, COE and Republican Sen Tom Tiffany, chair of the committee that wrote the mining law, all said that the mine will cause environmental damage and pollution. You, sir, are dishonest.

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bro
bro

Actually, you are much closer to the communist agenda. Read your history book and you'll learn that all communist regimes were established through dictators. It always happened through a "divide and conquer" strategy, which makes it really bizarre that our governor stated that was his tactic. It was done through labeling groups of people as "the haves", another one of his quotes. 45acp, you are the one favoring that agenda.

snootyelites
snootyelites

So Wisconsin mining company hires an armed guard to protect their assets. Unless someone suspended constitution and declared us a communist socialist republic - where is the news. Jauch needs a new job - has been there too long and constituents know so little about what he does in Madison.

everclear
everclear

No one in Wisconsin is qualified to do that job? The high paying jobs will also go to out of state people.

gobi
gobi

So you would favor a 4 mile long open pit mine in your neighborhood, Right ?

aspire
aspire

Gobi, How about a 40' tall windmill? Gotcha!

gobi
gobi

versus an open pit mine ? yes, any day.

blockhead
blockhead

Welcome to Scott Walker's Wisconistan....

Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

I wonder how Lefties would react if a Tofu Fermenter leaked tainted bean curd into an ecosystem.
Suppose some evil conservatives (a term closely related to "conservation") took it upon themselves to perform some vigilante vigilance.

Would the aggrieved Lefties counter by just trashing the place, using bad words, carrying misspelled signs, and establishing a hopefull fully clothed protest ride on BIKIES assembled in the USA with brakes, shifters, deraillers, cranks, pedals, etc made by Chinese children?

Or would they chopper in the SIEU Unionista Thugacrats to...um...establish order.

I think they'd do neither, but I suspect there would be a renewed interest in Capital Punishment.

The Gotch

DocWatt
DocWatt

The Gotch is right, the hippies brought this on themselves. I think the folks up-North will not be disturbed by people with guns. Deer season just came early this year...

Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

@DocWatt;

Lefties are blissfully unaware that things are a little differnt once you cross the Dane County line, and A LOT different north of Hwy 70.

I'm all in favor of peaceful protest, even when that protest violates my world-view. One thing Madistanis and the trucked in perpetually offended should note, this summer the bugs ar FAR worse than they've been in a long, long time.

This doesn't bode well.

Bugs don't care if you're wearing homespun or camo. They'll feast on toes & ankles exposed by them there de rigueur Birkenstocks. Patchouli Oil draws them in like...well...flies. And crapping indiscriminately wherever will only draw them in looking for the source.

Perhaps they can drum, sing or chant them away?

The Gotch

everclear
everclear

Well Gotch, You seem to have a simplistic view of Dane county residents. I grew up in northern Wis , deer hunted off hwy 70, we used the Clam Lake Ranger station as our deer camp. Have hunted and fished all my life.. Served in the Army for two years, I have owned Birkenstocks, and yes I am a liberal. Why, it's called education, not Faux news indoctrination.

Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

@everclear (below);

"You seem to have a simplistic view of Dane county residents."

Occam's Razor, mon frere.

I stopped hunting on personal philosophical grounds decades ago though don't denigrate those that approach it ethically

My lifetime of education (as a lifelong Madison resident) is ongoing and I don't watch FOXNEWS.

And I sincerely thank you for your service!

The Gotch

Monkeybar
Monkeybar

Is this picture from the actual site or just more hyperbole from a phony news source?

witness2012
witness2012

It's an actual picture taken this past weekend up near the mine site.

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RatKiller
RatKiller

You are one of the "good Germans" that Scotty is counting on. You are like a cow standing in line at the slaughterhouse.

stcroixcarp
stcroixcarp

If these armed guards are honorable men doing an honorable job, why are they masked? Honorable men doing honorable deeds will not cover their faces because they have pride in themselves and their work. This company knows it is evil.

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

Look at the photo! They are not masked. It's the wackos hiding on the woods dressed as Ninjas that are cowardly masked!

gobi
gobi

Traderjoe would certainly know.

robertsthc
robertsthc

So they can go out in public without be harassed by a bunch of nit wit liberals. Why do Police Swat teams cover their faces?...why do Navy Seals wear baclavas?...are they not honorable.

stcroixcarp
stcroixcarp

This company and this job does not compare in any way to the Navy SEALS. This is a Jesse Ventura wannabe club. These boys are evil, and so is Gogebic Taconite for hiring these thugs.

robertsthc
robertsthc

You got all of this information from one news story?

Mosquitoes

walkerbacker
walkerbacker

Madison needs to stay out of everyones business. The rest of the state likes Governer Walker. Thats why he won the election. And he'll win the next election.So get ready for the child like protest in Madison again.

iponder
iponder

There is a simple explanation. These masked men couldn't get jobs as bounty hunters so now they are playing rambo in the North Woods. Of course, these people come from the same place that the miners will be coming from...out of state. There are lots of people with mining skills that are unemployed....most of them don't reside in Wisconsin. Talk is cheap. The mine has already spoken by who they have chosen to provide security.

yousuck
yousuck

Somehow I missed the part that stated that there is out of state people onsite as security. Yes, the company is out of state , but there is no mention of the security officers. Plus, as a security officer, we are required by State Law to be licensed by the state. There is a good chance that this a local subcontracted company.

witness2012
witness2012

YS, that is being investigated since no one from the mining company will tell anyone much.

So far, it doesn't look as if they have the necessary permit from the state, but we need to confirm it with the Department of Professional Services..

toobad
toobad

So you're saying they're akin to the TSA and DHS government thugs.

Dode
Dode

Welcome to Wisconsin, guys. We have lots of local fruits and nuts that you will encounter while performing your jobs. They have destroyed private property and we know you are here to prevent that from happening again. They would be the first to complain if it was their property being destroyed. The people of this great state are behind you. Ignore the malcontents that want you gone.

yousuck
yousuck

Well stated.

epic
epic

Well, now maybe they can get down to work and not worry about the perpetually offended interfering with commerce.

fluteplayer
fluteplayer

Except that Gogebic is operating on public land. The sampling was moving forward without mercenaries on guard.

The owners of the land are paying less than $1.00 per acre tax because they agreed to keep it open for hiking, birding, camping, etc. They cannot have it both ways.

If people want to hike, bird, or camp then have at it. If they want to vandalise private property and harrass workers they do not have to give them access and the laws of our land still apply.

I love the liberals who complain about the MFL program and the low taxes. It's a great deal for the state and all residents. Imagine if youhad to buy tens of thousands of acres? This way they just get to use the acreage and the owner still ahs all the maintnenance costs. They are also very limited as to how they can use their own land. We give a tax break and we all get to use the land. It's a great program. you liberals should love it.. Its called SHARING, Think of it like a CO-OP

hankdog
hankdog

I wonder if any of this new generation of "eco-terrorists" as some have called them, have read "The Monkey Wrench Gang" or "Hayduke Lives" by Edward Abbey? Read them in that order, please. Might be valuable reads for both sides of this discussion so folks can get a perspective of what is going on in the minds of the other side.

Different subject: Do these camo-ed up, masked guards need a license and backtag?

bro
bro

Do these guards have Wisconsin concealed carry permits? They make it sound like they are armed to the teeth, so my guess is they are carrying concealed. If they don't have the permit, arrest their butt and send them back to Arizona.

toobad
toobad

Back to Arizona? You mean to defend us from the drug cartels that 0bama armed?

bro
bro

I'm not sure of where the cartels weapons came from or how many are from the ATF boondoggle, but that would be a good place for armed guards. So armed guards who should be fighting the drug cartels are sent to northern Wisconsin to stop women from stealing cameras????

robertsthc
robertsthc

What's the big deal. I worked as armed security at a number of mines in Wisconsin and Minn. There's a lot of easily stolen or damaged equipment around the site. And these were mines that didn't not have any organized opposition. Add anti-mining activists into the mix and you get armed guards. Armed guards are everywhere...campgrounds, Summerfest, casinos, etc...

everclear
everclear

You will notice these security jobs didn't go to people from Wisconsin, neither will the high paying jobs at that mine, and locals will see their rents increase three fold, just like the boom towns in ND, $2000/mo for a trailer.

RatKiller
RatKiller

We can only hope - for the sake of our state - that things get worse up there sooner than later. There is about 20% of our voters who will tolerate just about anything that Walker puts out there. He gave them conceal carry and promised voter ID and union busting - he's a god to them, and they will be his "good Germans". Our only hope is that a tragedy occurs, people see quickly how unfriendly this new company is to their neighborhood, and the appropriate citizen action takes place. I hate to say this, but NOBODY went to jail over Kent State, and this situation could be far worse than that was.

Retoother
Retoother

YOu hope someone gets hurt?

Off the deep end............and you wonder why the company hired armed guards with people like this running around.

witness2012
witness2012

Robert, there were guards at the site before the heavily armed Bullet-proof Security guys showed up.

They were mostly off-duty local LEOs, but secured the site pretty competently. There have been no incidents since the single episode on June 11th. They were on-site, but did not carry assault weapons with 30 clips.

It's not security being present that is at issue- it's having a paramilitary force with assault weapons patrolling public lands that is at issue. It's overkill- and I mean that metaphorically- I hope not, literally.

robertsthc
robertsthc

So what. If the company hired off-duty Officers or from a private security force...it's their business.

bro
bro

1. Just out of curiosity, what mines in Wisconsin were you working at as an armed guard?
2. How well trained are these armed guards? Are they trained as police officers or are they trained as snipers or are they untrained and carrying a rifle? If they have not had law enforcement training, they have absolutely no business carrying in a guard situation.
3. Armed guards in campgrounds? Where do you see this or are you referring to the park rangers in the state parks? The rangers have been trained in law enforcement. They just don't give someone a gun and say walk around the campgrounds.
4. Where in the civilized world do they have armed guards wearing masks? Is the purpose so that when they shoot someone or bash their head in, no one can identify the thug? Professional law enforcement personnel do not wear masks.
So here is a simple conclusion: We have guards carrying high powered rifles hiding in the woods wearing masks so when they beat or kill someone they can't be identified. They are probably not trained in law enforcement. This is intended to scare the women away from taking a camera someone used to take a picture of them. This will really tick off people who are using the area for legal purposes and many will carry to feel protected. The people opposed to the mine have just had fuel thrown on the fire and will quadruple in number, many will be carrying to let GT know they are not going to let corporate bullies stick guns in their faces. The state will send real law enforcement people to the site, probably wardens and rangers who are already shorthanded. Is this where the jobs for Wisconsinites starts?

Retoother
Retoother

Ever been to the campgrounds at major events? I take it not as they have armed guards.

Law enforcement and guarding property are two different situations.

Masks you say.......well with the nut jobs that following mining all over the country/world.........when not at work and going out to enjoy my off time I would not want some of you nut jobs harassing me on my time......and yes it does happen.

Common sense is lost on this board........that is a fact.

bro
bro

I'm waiting for Roberts to reply about where he worked as an armed mine guard in Wisconsin. My guess is he never did.
Common sense is lost with anyone who doesn't believe that masked security guards with semiauto rifles in camo on land with public access is utter nonsense.

So these camping events you go to are full of so many vandals and thieves that the campgrounds needs armed guards in masks to protect their property? You go there to have a good time? You call antimining people nut jobs?

Retoother
Retoother

No vandals or thieves but tens of thousands of dollars in cash being moved around. If it was my cash I would also have armed guards.

If this was my operation that was costing tens of thousands of $ per day and a time limit on how many days I can work I would have done the same thing.

As usual the people screaming the loudest are the ones that do not understand investment and loses.

On top of that some of these pieces of equipment run in the millions.....just what I want is some nut job sabotaging it or ruining it. So yes....more than justified in my book.

robertsthc
robertsthc

Thanks Retother.

robertsthc
robertsthc

New Jersey Zinc, and Duluth Metals to name a couple, its been 40 years. Most of the others are out of business now. And there are no laws regulating who can and how you can guard your property. Like others, I think you assume that these are untrained guards...one person referred to them as dishonorable discharged Rambo Want-to-be's.
I'm sure you would be surprised to find that the vast majority of the High Level Security Agencies hire only very experienced Military and Law Enforcement Veterans. And that they are not just handed a gun and told to walk around. As far as wearing masks...I don't see any proof of this, unless you consider sun glasses a mask. And you may be surprised to find that Military and Police often wear masks to keep them safe from personal retribution. You make far too many assumptions based on little or no evidence.

bro
bro

Police officers wearing masks? Where? Never in my life have I seen such a thing. Next time I see one of our county sheriff deputies I'll ask him where his mask is and why he never wears it. That should get a good laugh.

robertsthc
robertsthc

Hey Bro....make sure you talk to a SWAT member. But I doubt that you even know a big bad policeman.

robertsthc
robertsthc

@Bro...Eagle Pitcher mine in little old Shullsburg was one also. So you guess wrong...just like all of your other assumptions.

bro
bro

You were an armed guard in a mine in Shullsburg? It closed in the late 70s and I doubt any guards were armed. Also, you would think if you worked for someone you'd spell the name right.

JackJo30
JackJo30

Can't reply to Bro....but I was also a night guard at Eagle Picher in 1970. I think I was hired after you joined the army. Hey Bro....what difference does it make if he spelled it wrong after 43 years. We carried a 12 gauge if I remember correctly.

Observer5
Observer5

And they are all wearing masks and carrying semi automatic weapons- right?

Wis_BlogRider
Wis_BlogRider

Appears this is the beginning of something really bad for all of Wisconsin unless citizens come to their senses soon and take immediate corrective action with this corrupt dictator governor, legislature and supreme court. Never thought the day would come where there would be the possibility of another violent civil war with neighbors killing each other on our soils here in America to get back their basic human rights as outlined in our constitution. Never thought such a war would begin with Wisconsin being ground zero of insanity.

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

Over reacting much????? C'mon, a CIVAL WAR! REALLY!

TheRestOfTheStory
TheRestOfTheStory

It's spelt 'civil' TraitorJoe. But overreacting by him....maybe. I feel that the States are all headed for a 'Big Split'. The US is too unwieldy with it's present Political setup to last much longer.

See History for examples, notably The Holy Roman Empire. You learn from history or you go down in flames. We're smoldering and I don't see it getting any better with bitter lines drawn between the haves and havenots.

And, in your case as an example, the unthinking allies on either side. If you believe in rhetoric not based on fact, you are a traitor to the US and it's founding beliefs. All I've seen of your comments so far is 'Do as I say, or else'.

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

It is you with your head ..... In the clouds relying on lefty blogs for your mis information . I know and have stated the facts. Wake up !

Benedict Ishkott
Benedict Ishkott

@TheRestOfTheStory - 'spelt' is a word that means dinkel wheat. I'm sure you mean 'spelled.' It's this little details you have confused.

fyrgy
fyrgy

That's right Joe, I assure you they are not the only ones trained to use high powered weapons.

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

Exactly'

Wis_BlogRider
Wis_BlogRider

Traderjoe. When dictators bring in thugs with machine guns to intimidate the citizenry like is happening in northern Wisconsin, what do you think is going to happen when the first citizen is shot by one of these bullies? Pretty appalling situation and when guns are in the hands of irrational people it's only a matter of time and someone will get hurt.

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

These are not "thugs". The " security guards " are there because of the wacko jobless freeloading group holed up in a Eco Terrorist Boot Camp nearby. Theses are not peace loving flower children they are dealing with.

Retoother
Retoother

Those are not "machine guns".......semi automatic yes. There are more semi automatic guns out during the deer gun season.

Get a grip. I actually thought teh same in reverse during the protests at the capital 2 years ago. I felt the police should have had a stronger presence to get the situation under control Before some crazy liberal did something rash and someone got hurt. Thankfully no one did.

pete
pete

interesting that the left gets the birkies in a bunch over something like this yet streets that I grew up on are no longer safe to walk on the SW side of town.

bro
bro

What are you inferring? Is it OK for people in the northwoods to have armed security guards in camo and with face masks on because you don't feel safe in the city?

Yes it is absolutely OK for someone to have armed guards on their property. Companies do it ALL the time.

pat99835
pat99835

It makes good sense that a wealthy group of investors from out of state would want to "protect" themselves from a bunch of scruffy locals. With the Republicans you have in charge, get used to more of this. What the heck, private security might work a whole lot better than local law enforcement, and it's a whole lot cheaper than those government workers for hard working taxpayers. The tough thing will be when one of these hired gun thugs kills some local kid. Do you think Scott Walker will back the company or the kid's family when it comes to making charges and going to trial?

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

@ pat99835's " The tough thing will be when one of these hired gun thugs kills some local kid. Do you think Scott Walker will back the company or the kid's family when it comes to making charges and going to trial?

Dictator Governor Walker will say that this was a tragedy, but could not have been prevented since the youngster was trespassing and carrying an illegal protest sign with illegal wording. Sort of Berlin Wall moment, but on the East German point of view rather than the "tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan point of view.

RatKiller
RatKiller

Actually, the private security people are not cheaper than public workers - by a long shot. We don't even know if the taxpayers are paying for the security, now do we?

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

This is an appropriate response to the threat and violence already exhibited by the Eco Terrorist upon private citizens just trying to do their jobs.

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

@ Traderjoe - we'll find out once of the armed guards shoots someone, won't we?

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

Seems to me the violent parties have already been identified and are the reason for the show of force.

dakref
dakref

Yup, respond to someone taking a camera with an armed force. Real violence there. Sheer idiocy.

@ dakref - The difference? one group is behaviing illegally, causing vandalism and assuaults and the other is completely within their rights and have done absolutely nothing worng.

fyrgy
fyrgy

Trader, you must be the biggest coward in the world to think a paramilitary reaction to a chick stealing a camera is necessary.

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

These are armed security guards, not "paramilitary". It was more than "a chick" stealing a camera. It was a rather violent exchange by a group of Wacko Eco Terrorist. The dumb "chick " was just the stupid one that got caught . Interesting how there were no photos of the masked " ninja" Eco Terrorists published on the MSM. Not surprising at all.

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

Here is a posting from one in the group bragging about the encounter:

“… Folks took the space over for about an hour. They jumped on trucks and the collection tank and threw pieces of equipment like pickaxes, fire extinguishers, and shovels down the hillside into the thick of the woods. Fences were knocked over and broken…

“We were able to inflict damages upon the company in the form of an entire day of labor costs through the disturbance and subsequent police reports that their workers had to spend their shift doing, as well as shatter their sense of security.”

array1
array1

But why the semi auto assault weapon?

bro
bro

Who supports this third world country action?
What is so bizarre about this entire situation is the fact that the only legislator from the GOP who spoke to citizens in the area is opposed to the bill.
There are so many people in the proposed mine area who have been told it will be a shallow surface mine. Once these people figure out they've been lied to, they will be the ones who will really be ticked off.
So deernut or johngalt, tell me since you are so supportive of the armed guards, should I carry when I'm trout fishing the area? What do you recommend, open or closed carry? I'd say if I legally open carry, which I might, there could be pretty good odds of having one of the mercenaries shoot and then make up a story about how they were threatened. My guess is you would consider this collateral damage. After all, I have no right to fish on their land, which is legally open to the public. Might I add, on streams which are owned by the public.

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

You're right on the streams issue - public not private ownership. That'll change under Walker though. Excellent comments, bro.

Observer5
Observer5

Masked men with semi automatic weapons. Isn't that something special?

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

Let's not forget - these guys who "own" the mining property - and apparently "own" the right to damage Wisconsin's environment and geology permanently, are major contributors to Walker's campaigns.

onwisconsin1
onwisconsin1

I think it's important for the Oneida and Wisconsin to know that these mercenaries are a bluff. If they fire upon a native or even point a weapon, they will be in HUGE trouble for stepping on Treaty Rights- they've already been briefed on this. A native could even 'accuse' a mercenary of pointing a machine gun at him, and request Federal Marshalls to investigate. I hope every native possible occupies that land and does what the guy with the camera did. They have a legal right to do so. If there is any violence or intimidation on that land to natives, they are in big trouble.

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

Excellent points, onwisconsin1

michaelmcda
michaelmcda

Just to be clear, the tribe most directly effected by the mine is the Bad River Band of Lake Superior Chippewa, or Ojibwe, or, Annishinaabeg (depending whose talking). The Oneida Nation of Wisconsin is comprised of a completely different people with a distinct culture and language.

And, while tribes certainly have the right to defend their homelands, history teaches us that the U.S. Government and its citizenry can and will escalate to extreme levels of violence towards such defensive actions. I am old enough to remember the Mohawk Resistance Movements of the 1970s/80s/90s and on until today and also the Occupation of Wounded Knee in the 1970s, and, I for one would prefer that we at least first attempt to hash such things out in the U.S. Federal Courts. Judges may, at times, provide much more meaningful and non-violent relief from such aggressive actions.

For an interesting documentary on Mohawk resistance you should see: http://www.nfb.ca/film/kanehsatake_270_years_of_resistance/

nufsenuf
nufsenuf

Correction to previous post the word was supposed to be company's not companies. Sorry.

nufsenuf
nufsenuf

Let me get this straight. A companies employees performing their duties on land the company owns, in a location that isn't visible unless they are trespassing on the companies land are a problem of such magnitude that the paper will use it to launch another agenda driven crusade, yet no one finds this distressing?

What a f----d up age this is when people are attacked for abiding by the law while everyone crusades to protect lawbreakers. It's time to recognize that all the organizers and protesters are really just anarchist troublemakers and nothing good will ever come from their existence.

bro
bro

nuf, When you don't understand the situation it is best to not comment. There is no trespassing. Instead of being a pawn read the facts. Heck, a fourth grader could read the comments and know that the land is open to the public. Look up MFL.
What a messed up age this is when people make up crap to defend something so utterly wrong.

nufsenuf
nufsenuf

I believe your head is inserted even further. You want to hang on technicalities when everyone knows that all you want is to create mayhem and destruction to the property of businesses. You will go to any lengths to support the anarchists and can't support the concept of property rights of income production because you probably have never came close to achieving either one. Go back to destroying the capitol where you obviously belong.

The Access is only open to people who intend to hunt, hike, or fish leglaly. If they want to protest or do vandalism the owner does not have to allow them and they are trespassing.

Rosalie
Rosalie

I don't believe the company "owns the land" - it is public land.

Even if so, there are environmental laws about what people can do to "their" land, because ecosystems are connected and if one persons poisons "his" land, it affects many others.

yousuck
yousuck

It is not public land. It is "privately owned but open for public recreation under a tax-break agreement". That means you DO NOT own it.

robertsthc
robertsthc

What....My property in set-aside was open to the public and I DID own it.

Fartinthewind
Fartinthewind

Wow. I thought the company was going to hire locals.

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

Best comment of the day, Fartinthewind

Crow Barr
Crow Barr

AZ Gov Jan Brewer sent these dudes up here to help scatty defile Wississippi. So, she gets credit for creating the jobs and collects the payroll taxes.

onwisconsin1
onwisconsin1

...this is such bad PR for the neo-cons here in Wisconsin. This is similar to the excessive show of police state force Republicans used at their National Convention last year.....and that is when their favorability plummeted in the polls and never recovered. Democrats and Republicans hate seeing Fascism, and armed corporate mercenaries are just that- especially in Northern Wisconsin under the circumstances of the Mining Bill vote.

Gogebic and the neo-cons are currently in a lose-lose situation; if they are peacefully antagonized (which is happening now), bad press flares and anti-mine support flourishes. If they buckle down and crack Native heads (which they want to do), they are violating federal treaties and the Marshalls will come in....and that's even bigger bad PR.

Keep commenting on this story- if you live up north, film these Merc goons and share it on the web. Apparently shooting Mexicans isn't sport enough for these guys so they want American blood. Consider donating to Indian Country News if you appreciate them breaking this story. Where's the Cap Times breaking this? The State Journal? Milwaukee Journal Sentinel? It took Natives to share this story, because they aren't corrupted like the journalists in Madison or Milwaukee. Thank you to the Indian Country News.....they prove that one citizen who cares is more powerful than a dozen mercenaries with machine guns who are cowardly and won't show their faces...the camera and words of that man are more powerful than that coward with a machine gun.

Wisco_1
Wisco_1

A good caption for that picture would be "Wisconsin is open for business!"

I agree with Badger 313, this could be a real public relations disaster not only for the company, but for the governor as well.

concerned_citizen
concerned_citizen

this little grey rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRdxXPV9GNQ

Harvey
Harvey

I guess these dishonorably discharged Rambo-wanna-be camos found patrolling the Arizona border and shooting Mexicans didn't provide enough excitement. Well boys from Wisconsin can shoot too. And the difference is they eat what they kill.

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Victor_Berger
Victor_Berger

"The guards won't do anything unless someone breaks the law."

Is that a fact, Mr. Galt?

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MultiVortex
MultiVortex

I spent years of my childhood in that area and still visit every year. It is beautiful. 22-eventual miles of open pit mining is *extreme*, considering a 3.5-mi long mine in Hibbing, MN is currently ranked one of the largest in the world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull–Rust–Mahoning_Open_Pit_Iron_Mine

This isn't a compromise. This is an utter push to an extreme in one of our nation's most beautiful natural areas. It's a travesty there isn't a more moderate solution. Greed and money aren't everything, despite what Ayn Rand says. Besides, I've read Atlas Shrugged, John Galt. She was not a fan of government-corporate collusion, but any rate, she probably still would have cheered for the mine. But to deny environmental damages is some serious denial, a failure to be a true objectivist.

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oleole
oleole

@JohnGalt2016 : You must be joking. "The mine will not damage the environment"? The people in the Northwoods should take PRIDE in the amazing natural resources they live in and near. Do you fish? Hunt? Enjoy the outdoors in anyway? Mines completely throw the synchronization of ecosystems off. And, last I checked, the Northwoods and Madison are in the same state, quit acting like people in Dane or Milwaukee counties don't have a say in what happens up here in the north.

MultiVortex
MultiVortex

First, let me say I hate both US political parties-they are the same team, now let me make a comment. Every day that goes by where the new incarnation of the GOP brings ridiculousness to a new level and yet remains defended by an ardent 50% of the American populace adversely impacted by its policies is both bemusing and frightening at the same time. At what point will us common people say enough is enough? This is clearly a breach of American values and democracy, like so many things blatantly happening before our iPhone-distracted eyes. Classic olden days Nicaragua or modern day Ecuador. Or like a bad copy-cat plot of the movie Avatar by modern day villains. For God's sake, this is former public land, a pristine wilderness I camped when I was younger. So we agreed to rape this land for short-term corporate profit for a Floridian billionaire in hopes it would create a few jobs in the state. But armed men who are essentially mercenaries? My lord. Anyone who defends this behavior on our own turf needs to admit they do not cherish traditional American democracy or who we once were as a great nation.

MultiVortex
MultiVortex

Sorry (darn lack of edit button), to fact-check myself, by public land, I meant land that was part of the Forest Managed Tax Law. and further, given its proximity to sacred places like Copper Falls State Park and the Bad River Indian Reservation, the shenanigans going on here are just too much. But a significant portion of the land is privately owned.

witness2012
witness2012

MV, the land which contains the mine site is privately owned, but is still in managed forest land status which means, for drastically reduced property taxes, about $.79 an acre vs $25.00 an acre, they must allow public access to the site.

If the mining company wants to close off access, all they have to do is pull the land out of MFL status and pay the back taxes to the county, about $400,000. Then, anyone other than a mining official who is present could be cited for trespassing.

But, this multi-national company doesn't seem interested in investing that money in the counties they are planning to situate the mine in. Instead, they want to scare anyone from coming near it by this show of force.

MultiVortex
MultiVortex

Thanks for the clarification.

Mostly true, but anyone on the property must be there to either hike, or hunt or fish in season. If they do damage they are responsible and can be denied further access.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

I hope these hired goons understand they are in Native American Ceeded Territory. Native Americans have a right to hunt, fish and gather on that land. I really hope something awful does not happen due to the ineptitude of the GTAC crews up there. If I were a tribal member, I sure would make a call for Federal Marshals to monitor the situation.

badger313
badger313

Security guards with radios to call out the police if needed, no problem. Mercenaries armed with semi-automatic weapons are a whole different deal. Who exactly are they planning to shoot anyway?

This seems like a huge PR blunder on the part of the company.

So hiring guards to protect the workers is a PR blunder for the company but protestors breaking the law, assaulting workers and damaging equipment isn't??? This company has an obligation and repsonsibility to protect it's employees and I bet They are happy the guards are there. I know I would be

RatKiller
RatKiller

Masks? Really? LOL....nice trophy for some lucky hunter!

onwisconsin1
onwisconsin1

Is anyone sick of living in a Fascist state yet? Wisconsin has become a Fascist state where the State Government controls your lives. Want to organize co-workers for safe working conditions or fair pay? Sorry, State says no (even though Bill of Rights says yes) Seriously, think about how things used to be before Walker and how they are now.

In early 2010, Wisconsin was the most unified it had ever been: the Green Bay Packers had won the Superbowl! Republicans and Democrats, rich and poor, embraced each other and set aside differences to be neighbors. Less than a few weeks after winning, Enter Walker and the Fitzgeralds with a negative plan to divide Wisconsin, devised by the Koch Brothers- the richest people living on Park Avenue on the Upper East Side of New York City. As Walker put it, "We're going to use divide and conquer politics."

Here we are today. The Kochs have pumped over 10 million into Walker to divide Wisconsin and make us forget about winning the Superbowl. Seriously, the Packers won a Superbowl and we didn't get to celebrate because of divisive, Fascist leadership. When can we go back to cracking open a cold one with our neighbors and putting politics secondary to the Packers?

onwisconsin1
onwisconsin1

*early 2011

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onwisconsin1
onwisconsin1

(Clyde's not sick of living in a Fascist State- he may even like it!) :D

Homer717
Homer717

You can have a cold one and watch the Packers whenever you want. Fascist state? Maybe you should research some true fascist governments before you make that statement. You professional protestors should really take a look in the mirror and look at your own tactics.

Norwood44
Norwood44

The fascist rhetoric is old and untrue. Elections matter. Win one. The Dems sold their soul to the unions and now have to reconnect to average voters. Calling the majority of Wisconsin voters "fascist" when we went for both Obama and Baldwin, as well as Walker twice, is not the way to do it.

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Wis_taxpayer
Wis_taxpayer

I see, they won't do anything unless someone breaks the law...... except they are there to keep people off of PUBLIC land. So I guess walking on public land is reason enough to get shot right?

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

Welcome to fascist Wisconsin under dictator Governor Scott Walker. Military style armed guards stationed over a watershed if immense environmental value to all citizens of Wisconsin - but sold out to a Walker campaign donor.

This one fits #9 on the list of 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

http://rense.com/general37/char.htm

gobi
gobi

Scott Walker and Scott Fitzgerald- the two biggest mine cheerleaders . Thanks for turning Wisconsin into a Banana Republic. Also thanks for insuring that Northern Wisconsin and it's water become permanently harmed. My only hope is that there is a just God that will give these two what they deserve.

JohnGalt2016
JohnGalt2016

gobi There is a just God so you will have to work at a real job some day.

Wis_taxpayer
Wis_taxpayer

You have a nasty habit of attacking the messenger.... oh wait, that's right you're a Republican! ahhh then it's alright.

gobi
gobi

Actually, I do work a real job. Medical professional., I might fill your prescription . Took a lot of chemistry too. Enough to know that sulfuric acid is not good for the water supply. . I won't attack you like you attacked me. I'll just give you the facts. As a side note, I grew up in the area of the mine. Thanks Governor Walker and Senator Fitz for poisoning my parents environment.

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gobi
gobi

Don't know how to take that comment Harvey, My mother is 70 years old, works for my father's business. Both have worked very hard their whole lives.

everclear
everclear

The new protesters will be the people in the area of the mine, when they find out of state skilled miners getting the jobs Triple apartment rents in the area, and people living there now are not hired. And when the trucks hauling the ore, one minute apart drive away tourism.

blue5641
blue5641

So some of the first jobs go to out of state people at Gogebic.

Galileo
Galileo

And then to Arizona.

Here are some more photos of our new 'residents'.

http://www.bluecheddar.net/?p=33877

rali74
rali74

So how would the right-wingers respond if Planned Parenthood posted heavily armed camo clad goons outside of their clinics? I can't imagine their response would be too favorable.

they can do whatever they want on private property.

bookman21
bookman21

Intimidation is the way of the world in the Tea Party Era.

Victor_Berger
Victor_Berger

Intimidation may be the way of the U.S. in the Tea Party Era. Bookman 21, but that's not a good picture for their side.

upnorthdad
upnorthdad

I'm sure Scotty is happy now.... power and greed over anyone rules.....

concerned_citizen
concerned_citizen

what was the name of the mercenary corporation in Avatar?

what did they call "the natives"?
you know, the ones that didn't like the mining going on in their backyard?

lovemarigold
lovemarigold

deernut00, could you clarify what you mean by "the actions of the protesters?" Cause if you are referring to the woman who attacked a camera, I don't see that as warranting guards with automatic weapons.
I'm also fairly certain that is a legitimate picture from the site.
Your comments prove you are either a shill or an idiot, though I'm not sure which is worse.

JohnGalt2016
JohnGalt2016

lovemarigold The authorities will not look the other way up there like they did in Madison. Can't stand a fair playing field can you. Go away!

RatKiller
RatKiller

Tthere are all kinds of mercenaries in the world, Galt. Some are rightist, some leftist. Whoever pays them commands their loyalties.

yousuck
yousuck

Where do you get "automatic weapons" from? There is no mention of a legitimate automatic weapon in the article.

Your comments prove you are either a shill or an idiot, though I'm not sure which is worse.

woman who attacked a camera? A bit understated don't you think? It was an entire group. They damaged equipment, threw stuff around, threw rocks and Full pop cans and bottles at the workers. The woman ripped the camera away and smashed it and they pulled the cell phone out of a worker's pocket and threw it in the woods. Sounds more like a full on assault to me.

MagnusP
MagnusP

If you are a protester it seems to me that the best thing to do is stay away. The decisions are not being made at the mine site anyway. Go where your protests will do some good and be safe.

witness2012
witness2012

Magnus, no one is protesting at the mine site.

However, visitors who hike in the area have been taking photos and documenting the location of endangered species found in the area-(I personally saw a wood turtle and recently hatched nest about a quarter mile from the site)- and also documenting the inadequacy of the protective measures the mining company is taking to protect the area. There has been a lot of rain in the area and so, there has been silt run-off, significant road damage, and leakage from the earth berms set up around the boring holes, to name a few.

The DNR has gratefully received properly- documented evidence and will be incorporating it into their requirements of the company to receive a bulk sampling permit.

Since there have been no confrontations- with the exception of the June 11th incident which is being prosecuted by area law enforcement- why is this private, heavily-armed security force needed?

Perhaps the real reason is to keep everyone away from the site so that no documentation can occur. Given the violations already discovered, is that in the public interest?

witness2012
witness2012

As someone who has been up to the area recently, the mine site has been protected and there has been security there 24/7. It was mostly guys in SUVs- no visible guns- who were polite to anyone in the area, but certainly protected the site.

The mine site is located on property that is open to the public and many hikers walk near there.
Why a security force of men, dressed in camouflage, and carrying semi-automatic weapons, is now felt necessary is beyond comprehension. It's going to escalate tensions and is an over the top response.

Before the mining process has barely begun, GTAC has shown us that they are unwilling to be a good partner to the community or the area. This isn't Al Salvador- yet.

As Wisconsin citizens, we need some answers about what is going on.

witness2012
witness2012

El Salvador, not Al Salvador.

Rosalie
Rosalie

"Why a security force of men, dressed in camouflage, and carrying semi-automatic weapons, is now felt necessary is beyond comprehension."

I guess the companys feel they need that while raping the earth - under the auspices of the bill they wrote themselves.


"

RatKiller
RatKiller

They got the go ahead from Madison, I guarantee it. "We thought about bringing in troublemakers...."

Escalate tensions? Only if the protestors actually feel they want to escalate and challange armed guards rather than doing the sensible thing and going the opposite direction.

Dan'l
Dan'l

deernut, me thinks the latter part of your name is appropriate.

nan3
nan3

Someone is off the deepend!

pikerover
pikerover

All I can say is WOW.

deernut00
deernut00

Seems to me that the actions of the protesters in the past warrant the security guards on site. But likely the libs don't want to impede the slobs doing what they do best, so they will try to get the guards removed. Too much expensive equipment, workers having a job to do, and activity to risk the activists destroying equipment and getting in the way of the work. Smart move to have the guards, and looks like they mean some business (if that is an on-site pic, and not a file copy).

BananaSplitz
BananaSplitz

Easy, boy.

kooler
kooler

at least your alias is accurate.

johnnn
johnnn

Hey nut -

In case you forgot, there were a heck of a lot more protestors at the capital two years ago than there are at the mine site now. I didn't see any camouflage or automatic weapons there, and, when the Department of Administration got their story together, it was obvious damage was minimal and pretty much limited to normal wear and tear for the number of visitors passing through the doors.

robertsthc
robertsthc

@ Johnn...you're right you didn't see "forest" camouflage...but if you were alert you may have seen us in "Urban" camouflage, because we were there.

badger313
badger313

I'd sure like to know which piece of expensive equipment is worth someone's life!

ridiculous statement. If someone was breaking into your house or car wouldn't you take steps to stop them? Damaging someone else's property is illegal.

human
human

"Seems to me that the actions of the protesters in the past warrant the security guards on site."

The "actions in the past" consist of some minor misbehavior -- three misdemeanors charged -- by a few anarchist wannabes who do not have the support of the tribes or the other anti-mine organizations. This Mickey Mouse stuff justifies masked mercenaries armed to the teeth? Jeez.

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