Protesters soon will find the Capitol a less forgiving place for some civil disobedience, according to its new top cop.

Wisconsin Capitol Police Chief David Erwin said Monday he will soon begin clamping down on protesters, strictly enforcing the Capitol's rules in an effort to restore normalcy and safety to a building that has become home to regular demonstrations.

"I need to make this building safe," he said. "I need to make this building where it is something all the citizens can enjoy, not just a select few."

Stacy Harbaugh, ACLU of Wisconsin spokeswoman, said the approach could infringe free speech. "We are very concerned about this kind of enforcement," she said. "We have to ask if it is targeted."

The news came during Erwin's first round of official media interviews as the new chief. The 49-year-old took over on July 23 for Charles Tubbs, who left to become Dane County's emergency management director.

Tubbs garnered praise for his handling of the massive protests that flooded the Capitol in February 2011. Then, thousands of people filled the historic Rotunda round-the-clock for almost a month straight, turning the grounds into a sort of protest village.

Critics said Tubbs coddled protesters. Some even blame his light touch for what has become the near-daily protests at the Capitol, which also is a tourist destination and working museum.

Erwin, a 10-year member of the Marines hired by state Department of Administration Secretary Mike Huebsch, worked for 16 years in the State Patrol. He brings to his new job a strict sense of discipline and formality.

He soon will have Capitol Police officers wearing official hats and is considering updating the uniform. He also got the Department of Justice to agree to handle the civil cases coming out of arrests at the Capitol, a move meant to deal with the slew of cases left unprosecuted by the Dane County District Attorney's Office.

Erwin would not say exactly when the crackdown will begin, but the move seems at least partially aimed at protesters such as the "Solidarity Singers," a group of people who gather four days a week in the Rotunda to sing songs of opposition to Gov. Scott Walker.

In December, the Department of Administration instituted a rule that required groups of four or more to get permits to protest at the Capitol. Tubbs took a lenient approach to the singers, allowing them to check daily with police before singing. Erwin plans to follow the book a little more closely.

"We have to manage this space," he said. "People love this building. And they want to come here, and some want to petition the government, and that's great. I support that 100 percent. Just get a permit."

The DOA has issued 355 permits this year, and denied only two. Last year, the department issued more than 400 permits.

Harbaugh said Monday that Tubbs never enforced the "four-person" rule because it was "ridiculous."

"The way they were handling it was working up until now, and the only thing that has changed is we have a new chief," she said. But according to Erwin, he has heard of, and witnessed, too many incidents involving protesters and Capitol workers and visitors.

"There has to be some consequences," he said. "You have to have rules. You cannot stalk people, or go into an office and go around their desk and intimidate employees. These are real stories."

According to Jeremy Ryan, a Capitol protester well-known for traveling around the building on a Segway, a crackdown would violate protesters' First Amendment rights. Ryan said the protesters he knows have always stayed within the bounds of the Constitution.

"I don't think there is much (the police) can legally do," he said, adding, "We are ready to go up against it."

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Norwood44
Norwood44

The best way to handle protests, if they are peaceful though annoying to some, is to simply let them die of their own irrelevance. The Solidarity Singers being the most recent example of this phenomenon.

RedNedwasRight
RedNedwasRight

I'm a real Wisconsin resident and don't get paid to post.
Your paranoid assumption is illuminating.

I was RedNedLynch. I can't log in anymore, but I'll take personal responsibility for that.

You just don't like it when someone tells you truth you don't want to hear.
When the left stops spouting hate I'll stop pointing it out.
Should be simple, right?

tomtom
tomtom

probably a 50 center

schism
schism

I too have been accused of being paid? I guess its their way of saying now what..... too much data input, or.. you know too much, you must be paid... or maybe its just like striking a nerve on a dead tooth. One individual (joebobb( lol)) then stated that I worked for Burger King as suplimental income? What?! reminds me of children or owebama trying to avoid the topic and change the subject.
"whatistruth" wears the name well ! This person is wayyyyyy wayyyyyy confused and paranoid; more than even they know. Keep up the good work.

whatistruth
whatistruth

In this day of "the end justifies the means" there is a concerted effort, especially by the money interests behind the Republican party to play king-of-the-mountain. And especially the Koch brothers have a reputation to promote lies toward that end. I have seen it said in other places that there is a very active SPIN network.

You go much farther than most to criticize the progressives in a very demeaning, arrogant way as if you have title to an absolute truth giving pop quizzes to all those you judge to not use the same principals as you.

The question is WHY do you do that if you are not performing a SPIN POLICE function here?

It is also a known mind-control technique to continually put people down with your own version of the "truth"...

And in your hated LEFT, there is always the example of the Soviet-era paper... "PRAVDA" which of course translates as "TRUTH". And we all know what it was... very similar with a different ideology than Fox News!

And just above you use the word "truth"... and political "science" makes SPIN an art form.

IF you indeed are absolute in this, WHY do you cavort with all of those you so ably put down here if you are NOT an undercover member of the Spin Police?

"The ends justifies the means" is wrong regardless of which side it is coming from.

You seem to deem any comment that some post here, including myself, as "spin Police", why is that? Do you feel inferior in spin detection due to some sort of "spin identifier deficiency syndrome" or do you just not give a crapola when things are being spun into ludicrous statements as long as they agree with your point of view?

I have a very direct question for you regarding my earlier comment that was directed to David Cooper; I did not consider David Coopers comment to be spin and I never claimed it was. I replied with an honest interruption of how his comment came across to the reader (me) and was quite diplomatic as to my wording regarding solicitation by commenting members. I even gave him ideas of how he could make is suggestions directly to the new chief. Please explain exactly what made you label that particular comment "spin police"?

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whatistruth
whatistruth

You over-react and generalize my use of "spin-police" here.

It has happened twice and could also include those coming to their aid, especially if they have a young moniker.

We, however, agree that we both by your statement do not like "the end justifies the means".

If you were totally here for just discussion, you would not put me down with your 2nd para above.

As to your "direct question", your "neurotic" criticism of Chief Cooper on how he should conduct himself was less than subtle "control issues" which is a core-feature of spin police.

Your comments "not the best place" and "solicitation towards the masses" smack of control issues to me along with being a dismissive put-down in an already politically energized situation.

Only you and Red know IF you are paid hacks and no one will break their cover, so denial is useless; continued actions are not.

whatistruth,

You said, "You over-react and generalize my use of "spin-police" here."
"I" over-react; interesting view point, completely wrong, but interesting.

You said, "It has happened twice and could also include those coming to their aid, especially if they have a young moniker."
Please define what you mean by "young moniker".

You said, "If you were totally here for just discussion, you would not put me down with your 2nd para above."
Nice job making assumptions and discerning between something slightly humorous and reality. FYI, there is no such thing as "spin identifier deficiency syndrome", it was not meant to be serious - I would have thought you would have known that, you misunderstood that, sobeit. This part you can take seriously, "do you just not give a crapola when things are being spun into ludicrous statements as long as they agree with your point of view?"

You said, "As to your "direct question", your "neurotic" criticism of Chief Cooper on how he should conduct himself was less than subtle "control issues" which is a core-feature of spin police."
Again, do you even know the meaning of the word neurotic, if not please look it up. Have you bothered to actually read the madison.com "Terms of Service" specifically the parts labeled "Content Submitted by You" & "Online Conduct", if not, spend some time reading it. Please tell me where where you are getting these "core-feature[s] of your spin police".


You said, "Your comments "not the best place" and "solicitation towards the masses" smack of control issues to me along with being a dismissive put-down in an already politically energized situation."
You label the use of those phrases as having "control issues" when they were my personal opinion and meant for the purpose of providing information." By the way David Coopers comment was NOT politically energized and neither was mine, they were both our opinion and informational, David just chose to use the opportunity to solicit sell his book and THAT was my only issue with the comment.

Lastly, you said, "Only you and Red know IF you are paid hacks and no one will break their cover, so denial is useless; continued actions are not.
Spoken by a true political hack; If denial is useless then asking the question is also just a useless and only meant to smearing someone whose opinion you disagree with. This particular part of your comment was quite revealing of your real character.

Have a "nice" day.


whatistruth
whatistruth

srwspoon...

Here is a copy/paste of a previous posting of yours that must have gotten deleted in a roll-over of stories by the publisher:


Your entire comment is offensive!

I really like the new "Report Abuse", I actually get a lot of use out of it reporting abusive people like you..

12 hours ago on Protest singers' numbers grow in wake of Capitol chief's comments


While I cannot find the posting of your reaction, sure sounds like you are doing spin-policing here... that would fill the bill on "control-issues" which is a feature of being neurotic... viewing an imperfect world from one who is perfect in their eyes.

That or perhaps you just enjoy putting people down and being unhappy and doing that makes you happy.

If I were part of the Madison Avenue spin effort, I would consider hiring someone with those traits.

whatistruth,
Are you really as much of an ignorant hack as your words are making you out to be?

Do YOU actually think that comments telling others that they should kill their spouse and then commit suicide should remain on this website. Of maybe you think it just fine for someone to blatantly break the terms of use policies and put "F" bombs all over the site. Come-on, tell us all that you approve of violent and blatant foul language on the website, go ahead and show us what you are really made of.

I personally don’t give a damn if you like or dislike my comments when I say someone has gone completely out of control on this site. You should grow yourself a "set" and do the same thing. Comments like that should be singled out by everyone and deleted by the administrator.

You really need to take these words to heart:
Just because we the people have the right to do and say whatever we want, does not make what we do and say right.

RedNedwasRight
RedNedwasRight

srwspoon,
I see a new low being achieved.
In the face of your honesty and truth minded queries, you are now labled neurotic.
Making too much sense for the left to counter? Dismiss.

When will the left hit it's bottom?
Hint - calling a responsible and consistent Moderate names because you don't like his views isn't yet the bottom for the left.
Long way down yet folks.

whatistruth
whatistruth

In another post here someone asked you how much you are paid for each response you post here; it would be nice if you would answer that question.

You, like a few others, seem to be part of the Spin Police.

Does your money come from the Koch brothers?

Also, your moniker here is similar to RedNedLynch which has not been used in some time; are you the same person and did that moniker wear out?

Like the similar name before you, you seem to only challenge and put down the other side which smells strong of "Spin Police". If you would be a nun, you would teach political science and seem to relish rapping the knuckles of those you deem your inferiors.

I can see where that would be valuable to the pols with big agendas.

You really don't read much on here do you, do you just come her to smear others?

RedNedLynch created RedNedwasRight when the RedNedLynch account stopped working due to the new limits of non-paying member activities. He stated as much in in a previous comment in a different thread.

whatistruth said, "In another post here someone asked you how much you are paid for each response you post here; it would be nice if you would answer that question."

I don't get paid for commenting here or anywhere. Your implications of such things reveal your true lack of character.

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Lionhear
Lionhear

true dat-solid and righteous post. The real fascist pigs are the brown-shirted protesters.

Metalblank
Metalblank

He knows the Governor is watching, so of course he's going to go all officer Farva on the public. We shall see what happens as time passes.

davidcouper
davidcouper

I suggest he read my book before this goes to far -- “Arrested Development: A Veteran Police Chief Sounds Off About Protest, Racism, Corruption and the Seven Steps Necessary to Improve Our Nation’s Police” (Amazon.com). And take a look at my blog at http://improvingpolice.wordpress.com/ where other current police improvement issues are discussed. Good luck and may we all experience not just good but great policing! Great policing is accomplished by police who are well-trained and led, restrained in their use of force, honest, and courteous to every citizen -- even during public protest.

David,
With all due respect to your years of experience; this is probably not the best place to send a personal "message" to the new Capital Police Chief that he should read your book, it rings of solicitation towards the masses and not a personal message to the new Capital Police Chief. I believe solicitation by commenting members is frowned upon on this site and is truly not appropriate for members.

If you really think he should read it, call him directly, email him, or (better yet) just send or take him one as a personal gift from one Chief to another.

P.S. Thank you for your service to the community!!!

whatistruth
whatistruth

There you go again, playing Spin Police srwspoon!!!

I laud the former Chief and his decision to change occupations... his heart shows. As Chief he brought positive needed change to Madison.

As for the new kid on the block, seems he is more like the old Harold Breier in Milwaukee and with Scooter & Company's back-to-the-future scenario he seems well on his way to filling the Georgia Sharif stereotype. Understandably he reflects the Walker Brand... after all he knows who the boss is.

It is only the leaders like Chief Cooper and the ALCU that temper a return to the old "law and order police-state" model.

Why are you so neurotic here, srw???????

This is a vital concern of public interest... the Capitol building should be open to all, even those without a picture ID... not only to the greedy folks with money that want it all.

whatistruth said, "Why are you so neurotic..."

Is that all you can come up with, neurotic, really?
Do you even know what the word "neurotic" means?

sarge
sarge

hey dave, I'd 1st like to say thanks for all you have done over the years for madison; however, I seriously doubt this guy has read much except maybe mein kemph...also he has; before becoming the chief , personally participated in the direct manhandling of protesters. he seems to enjoy that sort of thing. I'd like to believe that the authoritarian personality can be redeemed through scholarship...but in this case I believe he is probably beyond redemption...I know as a preacher you may not believe thats possible; but I think obviously, some do end up putting themselves on the short list for eternal torment...

sarge
sarge

IK would add that unfortunatly this guys mind set seems to have been more shaped by his time in the military than any training he gort with the state police

DarkStar
DarkStar

The Capitol building should be a place of quiet reverence. I respect peoples right to protest, when there is something valid to protest, but this is just getting ridiculous. Walker won the election TWICE, so the yes the people of Wisconsin have spoken, quite clearly. Give it up and use the energy towards getting a reliable candiate next time round. Time to clear the riff raff out of the Capitol, been long enough, point made, considered, and rejected...

sarge
sarge

yes...he won twice so anything he does now is ok and petitioning governemntfor redress is now uncouth and in fact now illegal.... we should learn to just lie down like good little peasents...

is that it sonny??

DarkStar
DarkStar

Look, its really quite easy; the majority has spoken and told you to shut up and go home already; so shut up and go home already! or deal with the consequences. Moron.

sarge
sarge

just what would you like to see as the consequences for excercising one's right to assemble and petion one's elected representitives for redress of grievance? would you like to see some people shot perhaps?

do you think the "majority" thinks holding up a 4x4" card or wearing a political button or taking a picture or film in OUR assemble should be illegal?

I may be a moron but at least I passed highschool civics

witness2012
witness2012

Darkstar, have you ever been in the capitol? You have tours walking through, people with their toddlers, staffers and aides walking through it with their take-out, the media, the capitol police, and constituents.

A church, it is not. It's always buzzing and there is always something going on.

Stop stereotyping anyone who disagrees with Walker as being "riffraff", too.

Dante_in_Madison
Dante_in_Madison

"I need to make this building safe," -Wisconsin Capitol Police Chief David Erwin

"He soon will have Capitol Police officers wearing official hats and is considering updating the uniform."

ROFL

Whatadouche.

midwestguy
midwestguy

Not sure what his planned "riot control" methods are, but if he uses any plays from the "Kent State" binder, there will surely be fallout.

Steve_R
Steve_R

With republicans in charge you can forget about freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, freedom of choice, etc. But you sure can carry all the guns you want.

Jed Starnes
Jed Starnes

Yes, yes... Just like Scott Walker was going to "destroy" Wisconsin. Got it.

Perhaps you hadn't noticed... ummm, it's still here. And the left is still free to do your kabuki dance, just as long as you're not posing any threat to yourselves or those around you. Perhaps we finally have a Capitol Police chief willing to enforce the law. Novel concept, eh?

tomtom
tomtom

we finally have a Capitol Police chief willing to enforce an unconstitutional law?

what a country we are living in.

FiveHole
FiveHole

You forgot freedom of religion there Stevie.

It's you dems that think I should be forced to pay for your girlfriends' birth control and abortions.

JAlfredPrufrock
JAlfredPrufrock

Sounds like Scott Walker now has his praetorian guard. It figures.

sarge
sarge

brown shirts and gastapo would be more accurate. I know people don't like to use the F word but a unemotional reading of history shows walker and his minions to be just that. fascists. to be sure they have little in common with hitler; but they have quite a bit in common with franco and pinochet,

Lionhear
Lionhear

Sarge, you are so full of crap. And yourself. If you ever met a real fascist you'd crap yourself. Head down to Mexico and start misbehavin'.

sarge
sarge

I've met all kinds of real fascists... both here and in central america...heck,I may even have met you....at any rate i'll try to remeber to call it what it is...neo fascism....what our country is ccurrntly slipping into. you know in germany they talk about ourr slip into fascism quiote often cuz....they know what it looks like. history of course never repeats itself exactly, but it frequently does rhyme

Buck Turgidson
Buck Turgidson

So, now we will the brown-shirt, jack-booted troops protecting politicians from the people of Wisconsin.

I ask - who will protect the people of Wisconsin from the real threat?

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

yousuck
yousuck

Nice article from FAS. yea, yoou are a winner. Jack booted troops? What do you know about troops.

sarge
sarge

who me? Ive met one or two....

Jed Starnes
Jed Starnes

A lecture in radicalism and extremist behavior from Obama's DHS. Wow, that's classic.

Watch out for the drones.

jussmiddle
jussmiddle

So, wondering if the new uniforms will have a little "SS" emblem on them? Maybe black-brown will be the new colors?

yousuck
yousuck

Poor little butt hurt liberal.

Lionhear
Lionhear

Anything beats the little red star of the old uniforms.

cmb53703
cmb53703

It's nice to see the authoritarians out in full force this afternoon. And the irony is if Noble Wray had let the Madison cops loose on those teabaggers that stopped in James Madison Park, they'd be whining like little babies. I further find it amusing that this guy comes from the State Patrol, an agency that does little more than sit on their behinds holding radar guns on the Interstate.

Once again Walker makes a move that'll cost this state a ton of cash. He needs to go back to Milwaukee County and try to make that place something other than the armpit of the state before running for governor again. (And yes, I said the same thing about Barrett)

sarge
sarge

it's weird that the state patrol is the most militaristic of the police forces in this state when in fact....traffic enforcemnt is their main job. Iv'e never seen so many spit shines and high and tights as I did last febuary at the capitol.

Jed Starnes
Jed Starnes

It brings me such joy that every time some patchouli-scented, BlueFisting basement dweller posts any of their feigned outrage, illogical and nonsensical tripe, there's someone willing to step up and call them out. Perhaps there's a growing 'reason movement' in the Peoples' Republic of Madistan. Perhaps we can blame the Progressive Chocolate Jesus for exposing the folly that the modern Democrat Party has become. It's nice to see moderate Americans who were previously conditioned to yield to every moronic liberal whim finally rejecting liberalism and all its hypocrisy.

And it's nice of poster "Sarge" to regurgitate Chris Liebenthal's incessant ramblings here at the WSJ comment section. It might keep Chris from getting suspended AGAIN if he got caught posting his own blog copy from his Milwaukee County computer during the work day... AGAIN. Good 'ol "Sarge," doing yeoman's work for the Master of the Cheddar Leftosphere...

sarge
sarge

interestin' that you think holding a 4x4" sign up or taking a picture/film of our public servants working i n the capitol is worthy of a beat down and a hefty fine but I can walk right in there with my M4 and no one can say a word...

Lionhear
Lionhear

Jed--Great post! And much truth.

PosterX
PosterX

Get bent, Dave.

JesusIsComingBack
JesusIsComingBack

The stat I heard was that 55 grade school and high school trips to the capitol were canceled during the protests. Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere near that pit during that time.

sarge
sarge

you heard wrong

Lionhear
Lionhear

Sarge, actually, my son's class trip to the capitol was cancelled last spring.

sarge
sarge

no, it wasn't

rightisright65
rightisright65

It's about damn time the police do there job and kick some ars. These rubber gloved blue fisters need to be taught to understand that 'rights' does NOT mean you can do whatever you want and say whatever you want. Some of the crap in these comments sounds very much like hate speech. Bust some heads. It's time for the people to take back this wonderful building for all the citizens of this state!!!

sarge
sarge

Wow...Ernst Julius Günther Röhm couldn't have said it better!

sarge
sarge

from cog dis...
Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Not only is the constitutional right to Free Speech becoming increasingly scarce, but the(REPUBLICAN) brownshirts are getting downright violent to anyone who tries to exercise it.

In Madison, the new commandant of the Capital Police, Dave Erwin, is already trying to make a name for himself by cracking down on peaceful protesters. Because you know, people singing about workers rights is a threat to our society or something like that.

And how far is Erwin willing to go to return "normalcy" to the Capitol? Well, as far as condoning violence, apparently with or without just cause:

Erwin recently met with legislative aides who were feeling threatened or intimidated by protesters who have come into the aides' offices to berate them and have followed them to their cars. He suggested they try filming a demonstrator and, if that didn't work, punching the person with their free hand.

"I said if it wasn't working you could try to hit them," Erwin said.

Rep. Brett Hulsey (D-Madison) had a person in his office with a box cutter in the spring of 2011 and said he thought it was a good idea that Capitol police are having panic buttons installed in some legislative offices so staff could call police in an emergency.

But after talking with several aides who were in the meeting with Erwin, Hulsey said it was bizarre advice to recommend hitting someone with police nearby. He said several Democratic aides left the meeting early because they were taken aback by Erwin's suggestion.

"I was kind of amazed by that," Hulsey said.
But Madison isn't the only place with this new breed of stormtrooper.

In Milwaukee, under the auspices of the Cowboy Sheriff, David Clarke, there has been an incident of violence by a deputy against an innocent Overpass Light Brigade protester.

From the press release issued by Voces de la Frontera and the OLB is a description of the course of events:

Milwaukee police arrived at the bridge around 9:00 pm, after supporters had been holding lights reading "PALERMOS - NEGOTIATE" for about an hour. The first MPD responders stated they had been called to the bridge by the Milwaukee County Sheriffs Department. They stated that they were unsure as to why they had been called, and waited for the Sheriffs Department to show up.

Deputy Callies of the Sheriff's Department soon arrived and immediately stormed on to the bridge, which was filled with striking Palermo workers and their families holding signs, including several young children. Around 30 people were present in total, including many community supporters. Deputy Callies demanded that the lights be taken down and turned off. He then stated loudly that he would be arresting everyone on the bridge for disorderly conduct.

At this point, close to twenty police vehicles had arrived or were en route (witnesses counted one paddy wagon, two bicycle police, two motorcycle police, six Milwaukee police squads, including a K-9 unit, and nine Milwaukee County Sheriff vehicles). Lisa Moline of OLB tried to reason with Deputy Callies, who grew more and more agitated that he was being challenged on the constitutionality of his order to shut the message down.

As the video clearly captures, Deputy Callies then turned around lunged at a woman who was videotaping his tirade. He forcibly reached for her camera, pushing himself into her (most likely realizing she had just captured his entire episode digitally). In the process, he grabbed the woman’s arm and ripped the camera phone out of her hand, giving no explanation for the confiscation, despite pleading efforts from the woman as to why her camera phone was stolen. He then tore another supporter's phone away in the exact same manner. Click here for videos of the above incident.

Eventually more officers arrived on the bridge. Many of the MPD officers seemed uncomfortable with the actions of Deputy Callies, and once he left the bridge, one officer told supporters they could go back onto the bridge with the lights, and that it was “all a misunderstanding". By that point, many supporters were intimidated by the Sheriff department's actions and had already left.

The OLB has had countless visits by numerous local law enforcement agencies during their bridge actions of the past nine months. They have always been calm and civil, and have repeatedly resulted in the reaffirmation of the legality of their actions. Office Callies' aggressive response is the single exception to this respectful relationship.

Voces de la Frontera and OLB will be filing a Freedom of Information Act request to determine the process for which orders were given for Friday's action to be broken up- and why this particular message led to this particular response. Additional charges against Deputy Callies are currently being filed by the woman whose hand was injured when he grabbed her cell phone.

We are also asking the many elected officials who have endorsed and supported Voces and OLB actions in the past to demand a public investigation of this unacceptable violation of freedom of speech.
And from the website for Occupy Riverwest is some raw footage of the assault:

Fortunately, despite the Republicans' best efforts, we are still a land of laws, and their attempt at totalitarian rule is not working. The people involved with the Milwaukee incident have filed a complaint against the deputy in question and have filed open records requests to find out who gave which orders and when. Likewise, in Madison, the ACLU is ready to step in and teach Chief Erwin an expensive lesson on the Constitution.

As the saying goes, it's hard to keep a good man down. And Wisconsin is chock full of good men and women that won't stay down and won't stay silenced until we have our state back.

Toomuchtaxes
Toomuchtaxes

If people act like animals they should be caged like animals!

Mr_Silly
Mr_Silly

Erwin wants to crack some f***ing skulls. Great.

DowntownTruth
DowntownTruth

Truedat - see, what is so ironic about this message board today is that it mirrors the political climate / presidential election we are watching this very moment.

Since your critics can't say anything at all about your message / point (you highlighting the ridiculous hypocrites on this message board, which is 100% correct) rather than stand by their message they tell you that you can't spell / simply aren't as smart or enlightened as they are. All because they are worked up that a law enforcement official will actually enforce the law. Have a problem with that? Change the law! How can any rational human being be mad that someone is simply doing their job. If you don't pay your taxes is it the fault of the IRS Collection Guy who comes to your front door? Grow up -

...and keep it up Truedat - i will wait patiently for a response to one of your posts that makes any sense.

truedat
truedat

Thanks Downtown. And great point. Just a bunch of anarchists on here today.

Don't hold your breath for any responses to my posts and substance, other than name calling and threats to law enforcement.

Funny thing is, i'm probably the same age or younger than 'foodanddrink', pass him/'her on state street. But these people have no clue how the world operates outside of state street, and never argue on fact.

koala
koala

Planning to violate the First Amendment is never a good idea. Erwin is clearly cut from the same sow's ear as his employer/capo de capo Scott Walker. Conspiring to deprive people of their civil rights would make for a nice, joint perp walk indeed!

yousuck
yousuck

Who is violating anyones rights? I would call it "taking out the trash" or making the capitol enjoyable for the majority. In case you forgot, Bradley got whooped, there is no collective bargaining ans Walker still maintains an office in the building.

sarge
sarge

he will maintain an ofice until the indictment....then i;'m sure you will follow him to his bunker

Lionhear
Lionhear

The indictment??? Now that's funny! The Milwaukee DA can't even get a crooked democratic party tool in Milwaukee convicted for taking a $500 bribe and putting it in a shoebox in his closet. Send me some of that smoke, Sarge.

truedat
truedat

I didn't hear you when Soglin kicked out occupy madison folks WITH THE POLICE.

The cap police can enforce safety however they see fit, within the letter of the law. Unless you have proof that the new chiefs policies violate any state of federal law, please be quiet and stop lying that they are violating the first amendment.

Speak with fact and fact only.

Hippocrite.

sarge
sarge

occupy madison (homeless people actually) left the parkling lot without any resistance on the day they were told to leave

the law that says you need a permit to have more than 3-4 people at the cap is in fact a violation of the righrt of assembly and to seak redress from our government. I'm not surprised you don't think much of that sort of thing though.

witness2012
witness2012

Sarge, you are right. The ACLU is there every day documenting what is happening and will be providing legal representation, if the arrests begin.

And, the state will lose.

truedat
truedat

Koala, please cite the law or statute that is being violated?

(prediction from Truedat.....Koala will never post a response, or response will never address my request for laws that Erwin will be in breach of)

witness2012
witness2012

trudat, the law that is being violated is the first amendment. As a constitutional principle it overrides an administrative rule- which is what the DOA-passed requirement for a permit is.

Since the right to assemble is a fundamental right, the onus is on the state government to show why those rights should be abridged in favor of the permits.

If this goes to court, the state loses.

foodanddrink
foodanddrink

@truedat Folks like you are so deeply rooted in hate and fear that your brain fails to grasp reality. Most of the examples your referring to are complete exaggerations. Tell me, what do you have in common with the super wealthy? I'm guessing nothing. Do you think it's ok that billionaires are taxed 13% while your probably paying close to 30%? If so, why?

truedat
truedat

What they did to the capitol is fact. And occupy, etc..... What planet are you o

Public masturbation, setting fires, pooping, peeing, taping the walls..... Here, since you are oblivious to fact....The local hotels had to go to the police and make them enforce the 'public decency and lewd behavior' laws because people like you were out of control.

http://freerepublic.com/tag/occupymadison/index

And by the way, Obama paid a higher tax rate than his secretary. Explain that one smart ass?! Funny, all dems say they should pay more in taxes, well put your money where your mouth is....Obama paid 19% in taxes. He wants it at 35-40%, well set the example, nobody is stopping him from paying more, why doesn't he?????

Back on topic, get your sorry butt out of the Capitol. THERE's A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!!!

Finally!

truedat
truedat

correction, Obama paid a LOWER tax rate. Sorry, i'm multitasking/working also

sarge
sarge

"Public masturbation, setting fires, pooping, peeing"
fact that that never happened at our capitol shouldn't prevent you from lying and saying it did...oh no,

DowntownTruth
DowntownTruth

"grasp reality"? "rich" people may or may not have an earned income as defined by the tax code, moron. if they don't have an earned income, they don't pay income taxes. if they have dividends and capital gains, they pay the legal rates for those sources of income. "Rich people" do pay more in income taxes since we have a progressive tax code, moron. If you have a problem with the tax code (much like you seem to have a problem with the laws in Madison now that they might actually be enforced) take it up with congress...then again, you are angry with the new chief for doing his job, so might as well just take it out on the wealthy, huh. Last and for all, the words millionaire and billionaire do NOT reference someone's income, it references their net worth...and if you are insinuating taxing people on their assets rather than their income, that, moron, is scary.

foodanddrink
foodanddrink

Watch the trouble Chief David Erwin is about to create. As of now, there is none. The cops are the only ones that have escalated violence this entire time. They will lose. As their strong arm tactics increase, so will the numbers of protesters returning to the Capitol. This is not a fight a hot headed ex-marine wants to start.

DowntownTruth
DowntownTruth

This has to be a joke, right? Watch the trouble a law enforcement official who (GASP) is getting creamed by morons like you for (get this) upholding the law rather than pandering to the unemployed vagabonds trolling OUR Capitol? Seriously? "They will lose"? Wanna bet?

sarge
sarge

I think it was ghandi who pointed out people like erwin amnd walker have in the history of the world not once ever prevailed. the human spirit will allow only so much tyranny

witness2012
witness2012

Requiring a permit is not a law- it is an administrative rule, passed by the DOA. As such, it can be overridden by a state law, and would certainly be trumped by the wisconsin state constitution which is the most fundamental law in the state.

That's the point- the rule is unconstitutional and does not represent the law of the land.

yousuck
yousuck

Where do get hot headed out of that article?

foodanddrink
foodanddrink

TrueDat- Judging from your spelling and grammar, it's clear you're quite stunted intellectually. Go back to school; you're a bit "slow" for your age, no? Why do Tea "Parties" tend to attract the dumbest of the dumb in our great country. What is everyone so terrified of? A black president? Get used to it. He's not going anywhere.

truedat
truedat

my 2nd computer and keyboard is a far reach, excuse errors. i'll debate you intellectually any day of the 'weak'. And win easily.

I'm not afraid of your half black/half white president. He will lose.

read your two posts.... A personal attack and a threat against police. Nice. Good luck with that. The panic in your tone is palpable. Someone is afraid/terrified of losing nationally like they got their asses handed to them here in WI.

You are so SALTY about losing the recall, and now you're getting kicked out of the Capitol. HAHAHAHAHAHAAA! LOL. OMG, that is hilarious.

Your posts are soooooo........Yaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn

sarge
sarge

who's still in the capitol? when the time to go back comes; go back we will.

Lionhear
Lionhear

Obama's not black, he's mixed race.

Harvey
Harvey

I have seen these "Dirty Harry" wanna-bes before. They are usually one small altercation away from having their hearts explode.

justice for all
justice for all

Are the Republicans now trying to get rid of the right to assemble and free speech! No in my house!!!!!!!!

Thurston Howell III
Thurston Howell III

That's just it - it's not YOUR house, it's OUR house.

truedat
truedat

I doubt you'd be for the 'right to assemble' if the NRA, Koch brothers, Pro LIfe groups, and every other conservative group was in their singing the praises of gov walker every day. You'd want Chief Tubbs to come back and boot them out. Guaranteed!!!!

Liberals are always hippocrites.

Tricolor Dog
Tricolor Dog

The next time a Tea Party group has an "event" in one of City of Madison Parks (James Madison) without paying for a permit with additional costs for amplified sound (as any wedding planner knows is the LAW), I hope Mayor Soglin authorizes the MPD to arrest each and every one of those tea baggers and fine them appropriately - paid before release.

Thurston Howell III
Thurston Howell III

Right - time to get that lawless Tea Party under control.

yousuck
yousuck

Do you really believe all the crap you write, or are you just trolling for a response? You are a clown. Enjoythe reformed capitol, loser.

truedat
truedat

Yep, those darn whacko tea partyiers and their gazoo's and drums, and burning trash cans, and peeing and pooping on the capitol granite, and graffiti in the bathrooms, and going out fire exits......

OH WAIT!!!! no tea party'ers EVER DID THAT. It was only liberal whacko's, cuz the tea party'ers were WORKING.

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witness2012
witness2012

You missed the point. What he is suggesting is that, since the right to assemble was extended to the conservative group last week by the MPD, it should also be recognized by the capitol police.

The right to assemble, regardless of topic or ideology, should be there for everyone.

MickeyNice
MickeyNice

I like the idea of an ex marine as chief. Actually all capitol police should be replaced by marines and bring in tanks and cannon. I see helicopters flying above 24/7. The idea of new hats (caps) is great. I see beanies with little propellers on top. Uniforms should be camouflage pink. The capitol grounds needs a Ferris Wheel and more dairy products and brats for the tourists. We need to bring in some revenue so that we can continue to give big tax breaks to corporations.

yousuck
yousuck

Ooh, manly man. Little propellers, huh. I bet you are sitting in dark, in the basement of mommy’s house, a 55 year old bald, fat, 3 Twinkie eating, freedom of speech exercising clown disrespecting the Marines. Well, if you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a Vet.

CompassionateConservative
CompassionateConservative

Right on. Take back the place from the liberal obsolete whiners.

Dode
Dode

At least Chief Erwin will do his job and keep the capitol from again being turned into a urinal by the Madistani thug contingent. Maybe now the rest of us can enjoy our 1st amendment rights too without being shouted down.

Dode-is-a-choad
Dode-is-a-choad

Ahhh, you're referring to the Tea Party protests again. I remember those old goats wandering around the capitol peeing in the corners because their depends were full.

Lionhear
Lionhear

Dode--how lame!

epic
epic

I am disappointed. You get a quote from Segway Boy but you fail to find out what the "Pink Dress Guy" thinks about this. You really should be interviewing more of the core group of the failed protest movement.

Thurston Howell III
Thurston Howell III

I thought Clay Barbour WAS the pink dress guy.

Robert James
Robert James

"Get a permit", he says. If you want to exercise your 1st Amendment right, get a permit.

Mr. Errwin, that attitude is going to work against you. And honestly, you're invoking "safety concerns" with respect to the Solidarity Singers?

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Lynne4300
Lynne4300

WI_Expat

Thank you.

Badgerman
Badgerman

There will come a time when conservatives will come to regret supporting Chief Erwin and these heavy-handed ways. For all the claims by the right that President Obama will take away your civil rights, it is amazing that so many in the GOP are so blinded by their hatred of their fellow citizens on the left that they fail to see that the needless curtailing of free speech in the Capitol effects EVERYONE.

joe
joe

badgerman - Do you have a problem following rules? They are made for everyone so everyone can enjoy the capitol without hearing chants and whining and protesting. If I was in your face whining about how stupid liberals are, you would not like it. Time to return to civility. Basic manners that you should have been taught in 3rd grade.

libsrlooney
libsrlooney

Some people just can't find their way out of the muck. Enforcing laws is not the muck. Dane county is the muck. No one was prosecuted. That's the muck.

tomtom
tomtom

bizarre

FiveHole
FiveHole

Police that uphold the laws are heavy-handed?

Behave yourself and you have nothing to worry about.

Thank you Chief Erwin for your common-sense approach.

libsrlooney
libsrlooney

Finally some sanity in Looneyville. Refreshing!

powmda
powmda

This is long over-due. It will be good to have the adults in charge for a change.

gbsparks
gbsparks

Updating the uniforms is a really good idea. The man knows his priorities. However, I have a question:Is this just for the fashion police bureau or the entire Capitol Cops Corps?

motherlode
motherlode

Whose HOUSE?

OUR HOUSE!!!

Warran
Warran

Citizens of Wisconsin, the capitol is yours again. You can now visit it without being harassed by whining liberals.

Renaissance Man
Renaissance Man

This is great news!

joe
joe

It is about time. The law and rules will finally be enforced. There should be no exceptions.

madtownman
madtownman

The new police chief will have my support. I was never impressed with Tubbs... he has a new job now working for Dane County.... would love to see his performance evaluations.

Lynne3400
Lynne3400

People of Wisconsin, the state Capital isn't yours anymore! The Republicans are bringing in the jackbooted thugs to drive out anyone that disagrees with them. If arrested, you will be brought before the Sondergericht where you will receive a "fair" trial.

Stop the Republican abuse of power, vote Libertarian 2012.

scorp
scorp

Finally a capitol cop who understands that the structure is not merely a haven for the uneducated panhandlers.The "people's house" is not a party house for the losers of society , but a place deserving the respect and dignity of its function. The sing-alongs merely demonstrate the shallow intellect of the participants as they attempt to intimidate persons going to the facility.Oblivious to the contempt in which they are held, the singers take full advantage of their perceived "fame" by making fools of themselves. Time to clean up tha capitol.

witness2012
witness2012

My god! So many uninformed stereotypes and all in the same post!!! No one is intimidated by the sing-alongs. In fact, I think they've become a real tourist attraction.

Sing-alongs only happen between noon and 1 pm- the lunch hour- and certainly don't involve following aides into offices and intimidating them. The people singing give up their lunch hours to come and harmonize for an hour and generally, the capitol police are tapping their feet along.

Stop listening to right-wing media and come and listen for yourself. I think you'll change your mind about how menacing the singers are.

yousuck
yousuck

I think that now we no longer have to listen to the freaks that give up thier lunch to harmonize. Tourist attraction? What have you been smoking? It must be the good sh!t. Gee wiz Wally, let's go to Madison and listen to the solidarity dingalong, NOT.

scorp
scorp

Witness2012-- I WAS there during a sing- along ,carrying a sign around the square and I was physically attacked by one of the "singers" and verbally assaulted by others.My sign had nothing negative about them , but I'm sure they probably could not read anyway. I did tell the capitol police ,but they merely told me I had the right to protect myself.

lasvegasbadger
lasvegasbadger

Good going chief.
And I would think these people still protesting really, really need to get a life. If that is all they have to with their life, then their life is pretty pathetic.

WI_Expat
WI_Expat

Impound the Segway!!!

PDC
PDC

Really, violent crime is up on University ave and this is top priority.
And doesn't updating the uniforms invovle spending money, which is what walker opposes.
Sorry, I forget opress the common folk, which is what the republicans are all about.

buckyami
buckyami

>> violent crime is up on University ave and this is top priority

You know these are different police forces, right?

Perhaps crime is up in Madison because thugs think Madison cops are happy to bend laws.

Lionhear
Lionhear

No doubt.

rodster8449
rodster8449

love to hear your tune when Obama has ruined the nations credit and you have no job.........................

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