Tim Eisele: As a hunter, I say ban assault weapons

2012-12-30T04:30:00Z Tim Eisele: As a hunter, I say ban assault weaponsTIM EISELE | local guest columnist madison.com
December 30, 2012 4:30 am  • 

Following the tragic shootings in Connecticut, it is a time for moderation and common sense. Everyone who hunts knows the concerns over gun control and how it could affect their sport. Everyone who hunts also knows that there are reasons to be concerned for human safety and tolerance of other people.

Everything I do involves the outdoors and my passion for natural resources, which is centered around hunting. But we as hunters also need to realize that we are a minority of the population. The citizenry allows us to hunt, because they realize it is a traditional method of recreation and gathering food sources, as long as it is done ethically and within restraints of natural resources agencies to ensure that wildlife populations continue and flourish.

Thus it is not surprising that the steps by legislators to try to open hunting in all state parks in Wisconsin were likely to draw backlash from the general citizenry. It would likewise not be surprising to find the citizenry upset at knowing that hunters can use bait, perceived by many as unethical, or want to open hunting seasons on numerous species once considered to be non-game.

And although hunters have every right to purchase and use firearms, it is time to realize that there is no good reason to own firearms that are made to look to the general public like they are assault weapons and to own clips that fire 25 or 50 rounds. The semi-automatic shotgun or rifle limited to three to five shells is adequate for hunting purposes and sport shooting.

Hunters use firearms, terrorists and murderers use weapons, but the nonhunter now sees both as the same.

People should debate the pros and cons but people are also afraid of the massive influence of the National Rifle Association. It is a group that has turned from noble purposes of teaching gun safety and hunting skills to a political organization working to defeat anyone who campaigns for gun control or common sense prohibitions.

I see the NRA as solely wanting anything that can be seen as opening the rolls of gun ownership without regard to the consequences. I have heard their spokespeople downgrade state wildlife agencies because of restrictive hunting regulations, when it seems to me that states need to manage wildlife populations based on science and those are the principles that need to be primary in establishing hunting regulations.

Perception is reality to many people, and it is time for those of us who hunt and fish to realize that how nonhunters view us is important, and if common sense steps can be taken to keep firearms out of the hands of people with mental disabilities or prohibit the sale of automatic weapons that serve no use for hunting, then we need to stand up and tell elected officials that we support that.

This country was formed by people who wanted to be armed in order to keep their freedom. There is a right to own a firearm, but people need to accept that there are also some reasonable actions that need to be taken to keep the population safe.

Ethics differ for everyone; it’s hard to say that something that is ethical behavior for me will also be ethical behavior for you. But we need to be willing to make changes that just might help to prevent more tragedies, and let the general citizenry know that not all people who hunt and enjoy the outdoors follow in lock step behind the NRA. Unfortunately, politicians are fearful of being on the opposite side of the NRA.

Although hunters have been the best friends of conservation over the years, it has always been my belief that some hunters are sometimes their own worst enemies. Hunters need to be aware of what they ask for, how they appear in public, how they treat wildlife, how they display harvested game, how they pursue wildlife with dogs and put dogs in a situation where they can be injured, and what steps they are willing to take to help reduce the chances of gun violence tragedies. It is important that the average hunter speaks up and lets his or her voice be known.

Tim Eisele is a Madison resident.

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  1. Dode
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    Dode - January 01, 2013 11:40 am
    With sequestration set to decimate our military, now more than ever citizens need to be able to arm ourselves with weapons capable of protecting our homes and families. What this country should be doing is require every capable adult to purchase and be trained on a weapon such as the AR. Mexico has laws similar to what Feinstein is proposing. How is that working for them? Only a psycho would want that for our country.
  2. webmasterbigbrother
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    webmasterbigbrother - January 01, 2013 10:43 am
    there wasn't a mass killing in australia before that one either, when everyone had their guns....

    like i mentioned these events are extremely rare.

    norway has very strict gun restrictions but that didn't stop the deranged guy from killing what 79 people?

  3. webmasterbigbrother
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    webmasterbigbrother - December 31, 2012 7:44 pm
    not even feinstein is crazy enough to believe that the government has any chance of getting the american people to give up their guns.

  4. webmasterbigbrother
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    webmasterbigbrother - December 31, 2012 7:42 pm

    """"The Australian prime minister accused arsonists of "mass murder" today as the death toll from the deadliest bushfires in the country's history reached 135""""

    this happened in 2009.

    mass killings are not stopped by gun control.

    if you actually read the article i posted you would see that gun violence is up in both england and australia.

    you do the work of tyrants demanding law abiding citizens be disarmed because of the actions of criminals.

    we'll call you disney mao
  5. classic
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    classic - December 31, 2012 5:44 pm
    Timothy McVeigh, John Wayne Gacy, The Green River Killer, Dahmer, and Andrew Kehoe. What do they have in common? All mass murders and most were of young kids or young women And not one shot fired!! McVeigh killed 168 people with fertilizer and kerosene. Gacy killed how many young boys, The Green River killer killed at least 49 people. and Kehoe committed the worst mass murder at a school history in the U.S.. 45 people. By blowing up the school. If nut cases are going to kill they will find a way. If anyone is naive to think banning a certain type gun is going to stop this they live with their head buried in the sand.
  6. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 3:12 pm
    Oh yeah - ban assault weapons and they will start banning private use of nuclear bombs...you and La Pierre, advocates of no restrictions on guns, but restrictions on the life and liberty, safety and non-intimidation of the majority of the public.
  7. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 2:47 pm
    All of the above in Feinstein's proposal does not go far enough. It leaves millions of assault weapons out there with no buy back. An important part of the prevention of more mass shootings is the buy back of semi-automatic weapons and large magazine clips.

    Use your noodle.
  8. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 2:45 pm
    The mass majority of gun deaths are innocent wildlife. Millions of wild animals are killed in Wisconsin annually dying bludgeoned mangled in traps, and shot to death - in the eye, in the gut, in the leg wherever by amateurs and professionals - by high powered high tech weapons, crossbows and increasingly bled out by bowhunters. All of this is not classified as "criminal behavior" and abides by the sicko laws of such as you in the state agency which only sells our wildlife out massively to death.

    Desensitizing kids to violence to animals is a sure way to prepare them for the military industrial complex that both parties love to subsidize to the exclusion of giving us renewable energy, good infrastructure and schools not propagandized to corporate interests,

    And emotional belongs to the realm of human experience as a valuable asset - denegrated by the psychopathic.
  9. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 2:41 pm
    I'd say 16 years without a mass killing is significant compared to 61 mass killings in the United States just since Columbine. Your fantasy world of gun domination is over.
  10. webmasterbigbrother
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    webmasterbigbrother - December 31, 2012 1:48 pm
    """"""""""""""""""""""""Macho Australia had a string of mass shootings with semi-automatics, culminating in the Port Arthur 1996 massacre of 35 mostly tourists plus 22 injured. Twelve days later the government banned semi-automatics and bought back 650,000 of them. They have not had a mass killing since.""""""""""""""""""""""""

    mass killings are very very rare, so it has been effective til it hasn't.

    gun violence is up in Australia and even the government there concedes that the ban has had no effect on gun violence.

    please read:


    disney TO LIVE FOREVER lol

  11. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 1:45 pm
    OOOOH - the big bad government that has a primary objective to keep Americans SAFE. We are not safe from the NRA overall bludgeonry of no limits on the expansion of guns and gun violence not only in this country - but La Pierre's appearance at world forums where he stands against any limitations on the proliferation of guns worldwide.

    La Pierre has exposed himself as the extreme tool of the gun manufacturers that he is...no doubt the money relationships between the NRA and the gun manufacturers is VERY profitable.
  12. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 1:43 pm
    Could you elaborate on how the 21st did with the 18th so we can work on clarifying the second amendment?
  13. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 1:42 pm
    This includes hunting and the use of gun and is in the usual OUTDOORS pages killing advocacy pages - certainly the overwhelming realm of gun violence on innocent wildlife - and the use of high-powered overkill weapons to assault them. Thus making gun nutdom prevalent in Wisconsin culture - empowered by a killing obsessed killing DNR business.
  14. webmasterbigbrother
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    webmasterbigbrother - December 31, 2012 1:35 pm
    here is a copy of feinstein's proposal.


    """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

    Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
    120 specifically-named firearms;
    Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
    Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
    Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
    Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
    Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
    Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.
    Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
    Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
    Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
    Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
    Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
    Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
    Background check of owner and any transferee;
    Type and serial number of the firearm;
    Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
    Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
    Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

    it will never pass but this is a clear violation of the 2nd AD.

    which isn't about hunting.

    you are so emotional, calm down and use your brain.

    we have laws preventing murder, we have laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. criminals and the deranged don't follow the law.

    the vast majority of lives lost to gun deaths are criminal on criminal crimes and suicides, NOTHING that banning guns from law abiding citizens will prevent.
  15. webmasterbigbrother
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    webmasterbigbrother - December 31, 2012 1:27 pm
    this isn't about hunting
  16. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 12:42 pm
    Yeah - let's just use semi-automatics on the unarmed innocent wildlife to kill them out more effectively - and I mean OUT. Wisconsin is moving more quickly than the world average of 35% plummet in wildlife populations world-wide over the past 35 years. We are warned that we are at a tipping point of ecosystem collapse - with beavers massively destroyed in Wisconsin to serve up trapping to the 10,000 trappers who are teaching kids to maim and bludgeon as quickly as they can to take advantage of that $4 mentor kill as many animals as your thousands of dollars of traps can take over a 6 month period incentive. Beavers CREATE ( not destroy as in killing wildlife) habitat for half of the rare and endangered species on earth ( rare and endangered by trappers massively mangling them by DNR empowerment). Hydrologists ( water experts) attribute most of N. American water problems ( and water is THE NEW OIL) to massive destruction of beavers and agricultural drainage - 500,000 acres of the Farm Bureau special interest installation). So the DNR works hand in bloody hand with the Farm Bureau and the serial killing elite to destroy the habitat of species that are desperately in trouble.

    That is just one example of many - including massive destruction of natural predators including endangered species like the wolf. Including farming for a high deer herd profits as if they were cattle. Creating 20-30,000 car/deer accidents annually and keeping up CWD with deer overpopulation for the hunting cartel ease of killing.

    We need DEMOCRACY in our DNR funding and governance by the general public not just killers.
  17. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 12:34 pm
    So your point is to equate kitchen knives to semi-automatics as a ban? Um....
  18. Madravenspeak
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    Madravenspeak - December 31, 2012 12:31 pm
    OK COLD DEAD HANDS - NRA NUT: Your fearmongering NRA propaganda is a LIE. Feinstein's bill EXEMPTS 900 guns listed FROM the ban. What garbage! And the second amendment was created when America had just defeated the British at a time when we had no Army, no Navy, no National Guard, no Marines, no Air Force, to form a MILITIA to defend the new country from new aggression since there was nothing but that citizen force. The idea that guns are to defend militia groups from the government came in with all the nutcases living in the woods ( since 2009 burgeoned from a little over a hundred groups to 1200 plus ) and their exalted exaggerated fears that a Black president would not favor their WHITE supremecy crazy ideologies. However, the truth of it is that his minion spokesperson - first words out of his mouth at the press conference after the Newtown massacre of kindergarten kids was "We will defend the second amendment" in lock step with the gun nuts and the NRA.

    Macho Australia had a string of mass shootings with semi-automatics, culminating in the Port Arthur 1996 massacre of 35 mostly tourists plus 22 injured. Twelve days later the government banned semi-automatics and bought back 650,000 of them. They have not had a mass killing since.

    Of course, we have mass murder of wildlife for recreation almost every day of the year in Wisconsin. The hunting cartel in league with the NRA gun nuts and the Farm Bureau are the executioners of the very web of life that supports human life. Don't give me the garbage of their "saving habitat". Their paltry $40 million in serial killing licenses does not even pay for the stocking, trapping, brother hunter warden ineffective system, the licensers and registers and paid minions at the DNR to sell out our wildlife as killing commodity to the elite cartel that structured the DNR on killing licenses instead of general public funding.

    How upset would you killers be to go into the DNR and find not your usual trap as many animals as you want over 6 months for $4 ( if you teach a kindergartner to kill for $4 too) - but find only SAVING LICENSES? That would cut off your rights. Well - 90% of us go in and the only exit out of our commonwealth is your planned deaths. We are citizens too and your "RIGHTS" exclude us completely from ANY RIGHTS. AND it is time for it to end.

    What about the rights of those kindergartners to grow up? When guns infringe upon the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - the life of 9,000 Americans taken annually in gun violence - the millions of wild animals lured out to kill for FUN - I say I want my rights to live on my rural property and buy a license to tag as many animals as I can in six months TO LIVE FOREVER not be DEAD FOREVER - and that should be my RIGHT.
  19. jackburton
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    jackburton - December 31, 2012 11:06 am
    1) Tim Eisele has no clue as to what an assault weapon is or is not. He also does not know that the October 2009 issue of Outdoor Life, the premier magazine of hunting and fishing, prominently featured an AR style rifle on it's front cover, and declared it one of the top ten hunting rifles of the year.

    2) read http://hub.me/aVFQ and you'll learn more in five minutes than he has learned in a lifetime

    3) What makes him possibly think that the gun grabbers won't go for that "high powered sniper rifle" that he thinks is really (and only) his "hunting rifle"? There is hardly a dime's worth of difference in their function and ability.
  20. 196ski
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    196ski - December 30, 2012 9:20 pm
    So now the physicians in England have called for a ban on "pointy" kitchen knives. Why? Because they are too often used as weapons. They even checked with chef's who agree that a "pointy" kitchen knife does not have to be used for cooking.

    This is so ridiculous I could not make it up. Here is the link:

    It seems that, "The use of knives is particularly worrying amongst adolescents, say the researchers, reporting that 24% of 16-year-olds have been shown to carry weapons, primarily knives. The study found links between easy access to domestic knives and violent assault are long established."

    The problem is not the guns or the "pointy" knives. It is society. Find the root cause and address it or we will create another "war on drugs" that costs billions, wastes lives and does not fix the problem.
  21. webmasterbigbrother
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    webmasterbigbrother - December 30, 2012 7:24 pm
    not only is her proposal a ban but grandfathered guns will have to be registered and owners finger printed and picture taken.

    this will create a whole new set of law breakers who in all other regards are law abiding citizens: those who will not register with the federal government and will not comply.

    I've never once thought about joining the the NRA, but after reading her proposal (easy to find on web) I am considering it.

    her proposal is exactly why we shouldn't trust the gun grabbers when they claim it will only be assault rifles...

  22. fromMYcoldDEADhands
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    fromMYcoldDEADhands - December 30, 2012 2:56 pm
    ok, Tim...a little History for you..The 2nd Ammendment - The right to keep & bear arms HAS NOTHING absolutely not one thing TO DO WITH HUNTING ! The 2nd A was created to give the American people the god given right & the ability to DEFEND themselves from WHO EVER comes along INCLUDING our government....We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. & to throw of such a Government you need ARMS , MODERN ARMS such as the AR-15 & 30 round magazines .. that you anti freedom Gun Nazi's hate with every fiber of your being...This is why the Founding fathers wrote the 2nd Ammendment is such a manner................. US Senator Diane Fiensyein's NEW " Assault " weapons bill ...Will ban most SEMI AUTO RIFLES, SHOTGUNS & HANDGUNS...Not just AR-15's ...your HUNTING RIFLE will be on the hit list & your favorite SEMI AUTO BIRD SHOTGUN... she names 900 various guns in the BAN.........ANY GUN OWNER that is OK with this should deported as an enemy of FREEDOM.

  23. RichardSRussell
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    RichardSRussell - December 30, 2012 11:14 am
    If you don't like the 2nd Amendment, start your effort now to repeal it, the way the 21st did with the 18th. Until then, it's the law of the land, and we have to obey it, whether you like it or not.
  24. webmasterbigbrother
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    webmasterbigbrother - December 30, 2012 9:58 am
    Tim, with all due respect, just because you are a hunter and don't need or want an "assault rifle" doesn't mean that you should join the shrill cries of the gun grabbers in saying they need to be banned.

    they will be coming from your hunting weapons next, when the next tragedy is used with a hunting rifle or shotgun.

    we have a greater chance of being killed by hands and feet then by assault rifles. this stat includes children.

    the time is now for gun owners to stand together against this cry for more and more government control. it's a fool's errand that only leads to more control.
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