A proposed mine-permitting bill that came to a noisy demise in the state Legislature last session has quietly been given new life by Gov. Scott Walker, who initiated a process that could see mining legislation taken up once again by lawmakers when they convene early next year.

Tim Sullivan, chairman of the Wisconsin Mining Association, said Walker charged him with spearheading an effort to examine Wisconsin’s mining laws and learn about mine permitting in other states. That, he said, likely will lead to the formation of a panel to draw up a new proposal to streamline Wisconsin’s permitting process for iron mines, which has been criticized as too cumbersome and lengthy.

Sullivan was appointed as a special consultant by Walker and took up residence in an office in the state Department of Administration. The Mining Association is a pro-mining foundation formed last year by mining-related and other businesses to advocate for and educate the public about mining.

In a statement provided to the State Journal last week, Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie said the governor wants to see mining return to the state.

"Gov. Walker continues to support safe and environmentally sound mining in Wisconsin," Werwie said. "Changing the permitting process, by providing more certainty in the turnaround time for permit applicants, will help ensure that future projects can move forward in a timely manner."

Sullivan said his group hired Behre Dolbear, a worldwide mining consulting firm that, according to its website, provides advice on strategy, finance and environmental issues related to mining.

The consultant, Sullivan said, was asked to look at Wisconsin’s mining laws and compare them to other states, including Minnesota and Michigan and western states.

The company also will provide an evaluation of environmental protections, he said.

The consultant’s work is the first step in a process Sullivan hopes will be more deliberate and inclusive and more attuned to Wisconsin’s environmental concerns.

"People want the jobs, but I don’t think anybody wants the jobs to the long-term detriment of the environment," Sullivan said.

He added he expects the panel that eventually convenes will include mining interests, representatives from the state’s tribes and environmental groups.

George Meyer, executive director of the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation, has been privy to some of the behind-the-scenes work and has met with Sullivan several times.

He said he believes Sullivan is bringing a more deliberate approach to the issue than before, along with greater sensitivity to environmental issues.

"I am convinced he understands the balance that needs to be struck between mining going forward and reasonable protections for the environment," said Meyer, former secretary of the state Department of Natural Resources.

The defeat of the previous mining legislation came largely because it included too many exemptions from environmental rules governing destruction of wetlands and disposal of mine wastes.

Those concerns were cited by state Sen. Dale Schultz, R-Richland Center, who broke ranks to vote with Democrats against the mining bill, which was aimed at paving the way for the $1.5 billion open pit mine in northern Wisconsin proposed by Gogebic Taconite.

Sensitive site

Sullivan said the current work is less closely connected to the specific proposal by Gogebic, which pulled out of its 700-job project in the Penokee Range after the mining bill failed.

Meyer and others say it is becoming more clear that the Penokee Range site is so environmentally sensitive it would require too large an investment to mine responsibly.

Recently, for example, the Wisconsin Geological and Natural History Survey released information about a core sample taken about eight miles from the proposed Penokee site.

That sample showed the presence of sulfide minerals, which can create acid mine drainage when exposed to air and water.

Tom Evans, a geologist with the survey, said the sample does not necessarily mean there are sulfide minerals at the Gogebic site, but he added the findings should be considered in any upcoming discussions related to the site.

"It is going to be a very sensitive site to mine," Meyer said. "Most people acknowledge that now. Not all, but most."

Walker, apparently, still holds out some hope the Penokee deposit can be mined, his spokesman said in a statement.

"In regard to the specifics of the mine discussed earlier this year," Werwie said, "we’ll continue to look at all the information available, potential environmental impacts and projected economic growth as we consider moving policies forward."

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boomer
boomer

For a bunch of liberals/progressives/socialists that rail on Walker for job creation, I can't for the life of me figure out why you are fighting a bill that would bring hundreds of jobs to an area of the state that needs work. That's not to mention the construction jobs when building the infrastructure for the mine. This would be a boon to economy of this part of the state. I guess if Dane County and Madison don't approve of it, then nobody gets the jobs that this project will supply. Just remember to the rest of this state Madison and Dane County liberals are a boil on the a$$ of Wisconsin. That was made clear on June 5th and will continue in November.

KimLabert
KimLabert

Boomer,
sure, its ok, lets just employ EVERYBODY to destroy the environment. There has already been recent news that the mining would destroy the land it sits on if they allow it to be mined.
The environment is more important than a few jobs.

wakeupWisconsin
wakeupWisconsin

The people of Wisconsin need to wake up and understand what really is going on with the State government and Governor Walker. About half of the people already know, but the rest need to get educated on the issues. Stop listening to the lies put out by Walker and his cronies and the corporations that support him. Stop letting him bully the people of Wisconsin and ram through legislation that isn't good for you or the environment. Please see 'The Koch Brothers Exposed'. It will make you want to scream!

emsijo
emsijo

Walker is taking a common sense approach. Good for him! I hope the others wake up and stop standing in the way of new job creation.

The majority of the people like Walker for good reason.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

Common sense in hiring a corporate hack and paying him public money? Last time I heard, regury analysis was the job of existing government employees.... Oh right, Walker, creating crony positions one job at a time.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

*regulatory analysis*

KimLabert
KimLabert

Racedog48 isnt worth anybodys time.
To see how vile and pushy he/she is...go to the following URL and look at the comments that he/she made as their AKA name "ConservWisdom":

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=ConservWisdom+journal+times&oq=ConservWisdom+journal+times&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...4044.13468.1.13577.27.24.0.1.1.0.217.3240.0j22j1.23.0...0.0.s7TpMLukK1A&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=846c139da369eead&biw=1024&bih=629

196ski
196ski

Wow.
There is some crazy stuff here.

First of all the iron ore from the mine will not go to China. Ore mined in the UP of Michigan and Minnesota goes to steel mills on the Great Lakes (US and Canadian). Ships that transport the ore cannot leave the Great Lakes, they are too big for the locks. China gets most of its iron ore from Australia.

Hypocrisy. Not one of the people criticizing this potential mine are willing to do without the products that come from it. Furthermore mining and steel manufacturing are heavily unionized industries. Don't complain about sending those jobs overseas, shrinking union membership, the lack of support for public sector unions and the loss of the middle class if you can't support responsible mining in Wisconsin.

No business or industry is pollution free. It is the price the planet pays for our modern world. Responsible mining minimizes the impact. Again, consider the hypocrisy, if you aren't a hunter gatherer, and clearly your not if your reading and commenting on your computer, then you are benefiting from mined products. The UP of Michigan is opening 3 new mines in the next couple of years that are closer to Lake Superior than this proposed mine is. Minnesota also has State supported mine expansions in the works. It is impossible for Walker or anyone else to "gut" our laws on pollution. Federal law mandates that State laws may be more strict than Federal laws but they cannot be less strict. Any attempt by a State legislature to make laws less stringent will not see the light of day.

ZuRG
ZuRG

Hypocrisy. Not one of the people criticizing this potential mine are willing to do without the products that come from it.

*****

The vast majority of critics don't mind mining on principle, but it must be done responsibly. If GTAC won't agree to this, then the opportunity can go to some other company that won't rail the tourism industry instead.

196ski
196ski

Define responsibly.

Streamlining the process and eliminating the frivolous lawsuits that cripple mining in this country will not hurt the environment. If a company is willing to invest one billion of their dollars then they are not going to take reckless chances jeopardizing that investment. GTAC watched what happened in Michigan and requested that not be repeated in Wisconsin. AGAIN, Federal standards do not allow ANY State to gut their environmental protection laws.

If public sector workers ever hope to get pay increases then we need private sector job growth and not low paying service jobs. Everyone should be behind this mine.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

Are you even aware of what Cline Group is doing in Illinois? FARMERS are losing their lands to subsidence because of long wall mining. FARMERS and LOCAL LAND OWNERS are losing their livelihood because of the fast tracking of mining permits. They are looking at losing everything to the same corporation that you seem to think so highly of.

http://www.ilcolm.com/

196ski
196ski

Ex_Madisonian, iron ore mining is not coal mining. I have said nothing about the character of GTAC other than they are willing to invest one billion of their dollars, not taxpayer dollars, into developing the mine and providing good paying jobs in the State.

knittingnancy
knittingnancy

Heard the prospective ore was promised to China. Is that why there is a big delegation coming to visit with Walker? We don't need a mine when clean water and food crops are going to be the biggest problem to be solved in the near future.

196ski
196ski

You heard wrong.

windy33
windy33

where there is smoke there is fire and where ever walker is there is a smoke screen. hoping no one will notice the fire untill it's to late

everything
everything

Lake Superior is the largest freshwater lake in the world. The iron mined up north would be, well first it will pollute, then be sent to China, made into consumer goods, shipped back here and eventually thrown into our landfill, sure some will make it to the scrapyard, it always does.

We can handle some more heavy metal in our water, food, and air as well too I guess.

196ski
196ski

Iron ore has been mined on the shores of Lake Superior for over 100 years by union miners. It then goes to union steel mills on the shores of the lakes and from there to manufacturing plants all over the US.
Iron ore = American jobs, many of them union.

Sportsman
Sportsman

Forget politics and go to the local video store and get the movie GAS LAND. You will then know why things are going the way they are and why they are trying to get rid of regulations and unions that have full time attorneys that can keep on top of bad practices. Why is it so important that Walker once this mining bills changed?? What is he going to get from this!!! Its not jobs if you read all the articles on this and see where they want to start mining. The company and people will come from out of state. I voted over forty years for the Rep. but get this movie I no longer can sorry GOP.

TheJudoon
TheJudoon

You're not alone in your defection from the GOP. A lot of smart, educated people, myself included, have left the GOP behind in the past couple years because it has become the the party of organized ridiculousness. All you had to do was watch the fools sparing in the TWENTY GOP pres primary debates to see that. I've never seen such a bunch of knuckleheads on one stage at one time in my life.
The GOP has become nothing but a bunch of mean, nasty, hate your fellow American nut jobs. I also can no longer be associated with them.
The piece below by another defector explains much of what many RINOs feel.

My break with the extreme right
"I worked for Reagan and wrote for National Review. But the new hysterical right cares nothing for truth or dignity."
By Michael Fumento
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/24/my_break_with_the_extreme_right/singleton/

ButSiriuslyFolks
ButSiriuslyFolks

Here's the deal. We all know (or should know) how "consultants" work. I've seen it enough time in my own field of work.

Consultants are usually brought in at the behest of someone in control who doesn't want to be liable for their own actions. They know what they want to do, but are afraid of the repercussions or that those beneath them will reject their actions based on the actions themselves, or simply the character of the person proposing them.

So, you bring in a consultant. Their job is to try and advance the agenda of the person that hired them, while also feeling out the employees/staff/population to find the path of least resistance. Those the voice dissent are quickly branded as stiff, unwilling to change, and "part of the problem". Only by buying into the new paradigm (complete with the story of how the Swiss didn't change their watching making empire over to digital, or watching the video "Fish Story") can you show that you are a good employee/staff member/population.

Furthermore, the decisions come from the "Consultant", who is always some sort of "expert in the field" whose experience make their suggestions highly respected. However, 9 times out of 10, that isn't their opinion, but the bosses. On more than one occasion, I've followed the "consultant" down to the closed door meetings where they describe, in detail, as if it is a game, all their strategies to break down the populace and bring them in line to the new way of thinking.

Now, is this a good thing? Depends on the idea. If the direction is valid and you're dealing with a population that is ornery and unwilling to try new things, its a great idea. However, if you're dealing with a principled and educated group, and you're trying to do something that isn't in everyone's best interest (or in the self-interest of the person who hired the consultant), its pretty clear to everyone involved pretty quickly.

The "Deer Czar" and the "Mine Czar" are not here presenting new solutions or even worrying about what other states are doing. They are here to represent the agenda of the people that hired them, in order to give those people added credence (and less accountability--"I'm only following the Czar's suggestons!).

How do you hold the consultants accountable? By doing exactly what the left and the environmentalists are doing...predict the conclusions in advance and make it public. The more these "consultants" sense the blowback, the more likely they are to try and adjust their "conclusions".

You can already see the change in rhetoric from the last legislative session - all the flowery accolades to Wisconsin's environment. In the end, its really just another consultant strategy: they COULD have passed legislation already, and mines could already be moving in up north...had they just accepted Jauch/Schultz's bill. That bill would have accountable mining in Wisconsin...today.

That's not the agenda of the people who hired consultants, though. Watch carefully and see through the rhetoric.

spooky tooth
spooky tooth

Well said and thanks for the insight on outside consultants.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

Consultants also get told what their foregone "findings" should be. Walker, once again, is taking sides to write a foregone conclusion... to paint the Native Americans as "up to no good", and the concerned citizens as "job killers". Same sh#t, different day.

Select a committee that represents EVERYONE, not jus corporate interests, to move forward... will never happn with Walker... he has to pay homage to those out of state corporate interests that won the recall.

racedog48
racedog48

I pray if john"convicted draft dodger"Lehman is my senator. He will support any mining bill that comes up for a vote.

KimLabert
KimLabert

well well well, if it isn't Racefan. I thought you got caught from your job using their computer during business hours to be on the JT forums...etc...

Aprilcomma
Aprilcomma

"Sullivan said his group hired Behre Dolbear, a worldwide mining consulting firm that, according to its website, provides advice on strategy, finance and environmental issues related to mining."

Including consulting on how to negate opposition.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

Same onl song and dance... from Exxon, Rio-Algom and BHP Billiton.

The PROBLEM is that many many people who live up north have educated themselves on the ridiculous PR tactics and will not be selling out any time soon.

fluteplayer
fluteplayer

No matter what your politics are, you have to admit that the headline suggesting that *Walker* is back to work on the legislation is misleading, don't you? Really, much better to say that Tim Sullivan, former (or is he still?) president/CEO of a major mining equipment manufacturing company is "at work" on the legislation.

What ever happened to the select committee on mining in the legislature? Oh, right, that was dissolved by Scott Fitzgerald, before it had a chance to submit a compromise bill in the last session.

At least this time they've decided to "look at" other states' laws, instead of just taking the language straight from the mining company.

rodeodance
rodeodance

People want an environmentally safe mine. We will not get that under Walker and his new mine czar!!


‏@CoffeeBean26

Mining boom in MI leads to sulfuric acid threats to WI rivers & Great Lakes http://www.pewstates.org/projects/stateline/headlines/mining-boom-in-great-lakes-states-prompts-environmental-concern-85899390922 #WIunion #WIpolitics @WIConservation

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

For f*ck's sake... can't he give it a rest... if the Democrats put someone form WWF or Sierra Club in an office at the DOA the Republicans would be screaming bloody murder.

EPA will back up the Bad River Tribe. They HAVE the Federally appointed authority. All this GOP goon is going to do is try to gut the existing laws that took over 20 years to hammer out.

rodeodance
rodeodance

So, Walker hires Another CZAR at taxpayer's expense to fleece WI citizens. Not surprized!!

spooky tooth
spooky tooth

Let the mine move forward when the mining company and their insurance carriers guarantee WI any and all pollution problems to water or air will be covered by them. This includes damages this may cause the people living in the areas effected.

Harvey
Harvey

Walkers other plan? Setting aside public lands for depositing human waste.

qpwoeiruty
qpwoeiruty

If the democrats were smart they would push for this legislation now. Come January the senate will probably be back to the GOP after the fall elections due to the redistricting. Come January the dems won't have any say in the matter.
And lets not forget to make a ski mountain out of the overburden. I see a bowl shaped mountain facing north with a crescent shaped lake at the bottom lined with condos. The lake will double as the treatment retention pond for the drainage from the overburden. I wonder how much vertical you can get with the overburden?
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Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

Yeah, yeah... sell out, before it is too late to... sell out!!! *sarcasm intended*

lloll
lloll

I'm not sure the connection illegal immigrants have to the mine but I have a sure fire plan to slow the rates of illegal immigration.

Most Republicans pundits Won't go for it though. Because it involves 2 Blasphemous words. Taxation and regulation.

The needs to be laws that provide stiff penalties for businesses that hire illegals. Stiff enough to erase the savings an employer makes by hiring an illegal. I suggest loss of eligibility for tax credits or other government programs. Eventually provide for criminal charges. Maybe human trafficking. Or once an employer has shown they are unwilling to follow the law the should lose any license they need for their business.

As it is, businesses have no penalty. You can find many stories online about meat packing plants that are raided frequently and lose large percentages of their work force. Then a month later the same thing happens.

The only reason they are coming here is for jobs. Evidence of this is their decreased numbers during the recession.

Also, increased regulation create jobs as large businesses will have to hire employees to do employment eligibility checks and small businesses will have to contract work out.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

The article was about changing mining legislation. What is your point?

TheJudoon
TheJudoon

I'm glad they're looking for ways to make mining responsible, but does a guy who represents the mining industry really deserve an office at DOA and a salary paid for by taxpayers?
Wasn't it bad enough that the mining company wrote the original mining legislation that our elected officials introduced last year? Now taxpayers are being told we have to foot the bill for the industry to write yet another bill that will benefit their bottom line?
These should not be taxpayer-paid expenses.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

No he should not... quite simply put, Walker is back to his old tactic of cozying up to private interests.

If he was serious about burying the hatchet he would come up with a committee that represented both parties, citizens and the tribes in addition to his industry stooges.

WesternHorizon
WesternHorizon

I was hoping this mining issue would have gone away for at least 8 years. First there maybe 700 jobs, but they are not only for Wisconsin but mostly for Michigan. The Mine Site is about 15 miles from the Michigan border. According to the 2010 Census there are 5,916 in Iron County Wisconsin. In Gogebic County Michigan there are 16,427 people. Doing a quick percentage analysis that would mean 26.5% of these jobs would be for Wisconsin residence and 73.5% of the jobs would be for Michigan residence. Now let us look at the long term effect of mines in an area. We are talking about iron mines, not gold, silver, or copper highly valuable minerals. The percentage below the poverty rate in the Minnesota Iron range is in St. Louis County Minnesota is 15.1%, in Iron County is 15.7% and in Gogebic County is 17.5%. They all are very similar and Duluth MN is located in St. Louis County that should skew the poverty rate higher the University of Minnesota Duluth located in that city. Walker has always been for short term thinking. Why fall for it? The ore is not going anywhere. It will be there a century from now if it is not mined. Why push for a mine that will only create 186 Wisconsin jobs? Wisconsin will be stuck cleaning up the mess the way the GOP was pushing the legislation through. Gogebic Mining is owned by Kline Development and Resources. Check out their mining environmental and safety record. They are not good stewards of the mining world.

Dick Dastardly
Dick Dastardly

Let's see. George Meyer samples some dirt "about" eight miles from the deposits to be mined and proclaims it too "sensitive" to mine. You'd have to go at least eight miles from Madison to find uncontaminated dirt.

George Meyer and the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation are a liberal think tank set on obstructing any digging. According to them, nothing's safe to mine.

DD

YankeeBubba
YankeeBubba

@Dick Dastardly;

Not true. Craven Lefties mine taxpayer's wallets all the time!

Minorities successfully mine Lefty's suffocating Liberal guilt all the time as well.

Tricolor Dog
Tricolor Dog

Pretty funny - Walker wants to work on this in January. January......not "right away". If I had a fiscal crisis to deal with and a company that I thought might still be interested in creating the kinds of jobs in the state that we need here, I'd start the process ASAP. I guess bi-partisanship still isn't in the flunkie's playbook, is it?

boomer
boomer

Kind of like how the messiah in Washington D.C. will look into the Keystone pipeline after the November elections. It will be looked at because Romney will be president.

Carbuncle2
Carbuncle2

Hey, What ever happened to the $250 million (GREEN) biodiesel proposal in Park Falls,at Flambeau river paper?!!,I guess Green tech is in no interest of Walker or the EVILS Who bought is seat (koch)

WI_Expat
WI_Expat

And that is DaTruth.....great point!!!!

My son can't find a job but plenty illegals get the ones he applies for in spite the fact my son is hard working and willing to exert serious sweat. Yet I ran into a group of illegals a few weeks back openly bragging how the can work the system because of the the direction the immigration policy is going.

Unions and liberals want to sell their soles to the free immigration side for "members" and "votes" go ahead....be prepared to learn the same loyalty of the past will not exist.

TheMatador
TheMatador

I don't believe that you speak with groups of "illegals". I also don't believe that your son knows the citizenship status of everyone getting 'his" jobs. Perhaps these are legal immigrants, or multi-generational individuals. You see brown, I understand.

I don't think many around here believe what you type.

WesternHorizon
WesternHorizon

Expat:

I am the roofing repair business in Colorado. Most of Asphalt Shingle crews are green card individuals. An old hand in the industry told me that Green Card crews work harder, faster, and longer than the American Crews. He told me that the American Crew would take 3 days to do the job done by the Green Card Crew in a day. You are suggesting that businesses go against their better interest by hiring the lazy American crew instead of the Green Card crew. Now that is going against what the conservatives believe.

mobus1603
mobus1603

Funny how all of these "illegals" whom you just happened to run into were speaking English. Did the people doing the hiring call your son up and tell him that they hired illegals instead of him? Yeah, that sounds really likely.

Hate and paranoia sure is rampant amongst conservatives.

Harvey
Harvey

Have your unemployed son come out to California. There is produce to be picked and companies would love to hire a nice white all American boy like yours. Doesn't like California? No problem. Georgia needs peach pickers. And you get a 2-for. Your son gets a job and an illegal doesn't. I bet his "serious sweat" dries up with this offer.

Harvey
Harvey

I bet old scooter didn't bring his mining plan up at his brat fest.

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

If your son hits the bong as often as you seem to be, there is no wonder he is unemployable.

lloll
lloll

The governor keeps talking about how important the future of our children is. And about fiscal restraint. He can serve both causes but NOT pushing for mining legislation.

motherlode
motherlode

Here comes Scotty!
Couldn't even hold out for 2 whole weeks.

Back to the same junk that got him in trouble to begin with.

Veiled threats, and the power trip.

DaTruth
DaTruth

Great politics - deny this, Libs - Governor Walker wants to create jobs, and tree-hugging libs (who have not won a WI election in many moons) want to not create jobs. Couple that with your Hero Obama who just took jobs away from LEGAL Americans - and you have a great cause. You walked into this one, morons.

Carbuncle2
Carbuncle2

DaTruth is lying!!,If Walker was really concerned with job creation He would have not squashed Flambeau's Bio diesel project!! Price county needs Jobs ,but not at the cost of Genocide and destroying Copper Falls!!

DaTruth
DaTruth

Genocide? Bad River and Red Cliff don't want the mine because they have no intention of ever working, anyway? Why would they? They get free stuff just for doing nothing and having 15 junk cars in their driveways. Oh, before you shout, "racist", I am a member of the Red Cliff Band. This is what your coddling of a once proud people has done. As far as bio-diesel, it's a joke. It can't be transported via pipeline, because of its caustic nature (it eats pipe) - nobody wants to use it in their vehicles, even at 5%, because they lose horsepower. Look how popular it is (not) in Oregon and Washington, where it is mandated. Learn before you spew.

TheMatador
TheMatador

Many people choose biodeisel fuels and, with your strong right leaning tendencies, don't believe much of your "science".

human
human

Ah, yes. If we create 700 or so short-term jobs (most of which won't go to Native Americans) and destroy wild rice in the Bad River reservation, we'll see a new rebirth of self-sufficient among Native Americans in Northern Wisconsin.

Wolfpack
Wolfpack

Advocating mining is hardly "genocide." You just sound stupid when you spout off crap like that.

TheMatador
TheMatador

Still spouting the same crap, eh?

Didn't this already get voted on? Is this just sour grapes?

What is the huge rush in pulling out a mineral that is only going to become more expensive in the future. Why not use the iron in other places today and save ours for the future. No, that's not good enough, we need to take it all now and have nothing for later.

Dolt.

WesternHorizon
WesternHorizon

Da:

Here is the the truth. There will be more jobs created for Michigan residence that for Wisconsin residence if this mine goes into operation. Second, if the mine goes into operaton under the Gogebic Mining, there will be clean up issues. Gogebic is owned by Cline Resources and Development. This is not a good mining company. Gogebic is an LLC. LLC means Limited Liability Corporaton for a reason. When the ore is run out, this corporation can be bankrupted and the State of Wisconsin is left to clean up the mess and the Billionaire Cline can live in 32,000 sq ft home in Palm Beach FL laughing at Wisconsin cleaning up his mess. Now that is the truth.

WI_Expat
WI_Expat

Walker works within the available system avenues to promote an agenda largely supported outside of Madison....yet we have a president that crosses the boundaries of the Constitution with immigration executive orders.

Liberals can keep claiming hypocrisy or corruption on the part of the right but history shows such organized claims are merely "smoke and mirrors" or deflections for actions made on their part they know will destroy them if uncovered...so the marshall all investigative agencies on the opponent and make the ability to investigate their own crimes even more unlikely.

Just part of the "Rules for Radicals" play book the liberals are now upset that conservatives also read.

TheMatador
TheMatador

I'm glad for two things.
1. That your comments focus so closely on the subject being discussed....oh, wait...

2. That no illegal immigrants can enter the US when the republicans are in control, and that the republicans do all they can to get rid of the illegal immigrants that are already here....oh, wait....

tebriel
tebriel

Two words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

WI_Expat
WI_Expat

Can we start with mining on AFSME property? The union better check to see if the also purchased mineral rights...betting no.

TheMatador
TheMatador

Can we mine the rock and bullsh*t from your head?

koala
koala

The overburden of rock there is way too hard and thick!

Roundtable
Roundtable

Why does this administration keep mixing private business interests with public resources?.

TheJudoon
TheJudoon

Corruption?

Ex_Madisonian
Ex_Madisonian

Because they can?

PatrickL
PatrickL

Jeff Fitzgerald, a candidate to represent us in the U.S. Senate made such a push for this bill. He certainly had the interests of northern Wisconsin in mind when he along with other republicans scheduled a public hearing for the proposed mine in Milwaukee. But the good citizens of Ashland and Bayfield surprised them all when they chartered a bus loaded with people in opposition. Then Scott Fitzgerald made statements during his re-call campaign telling his constituents that the industry should write the bill because they are the experts. Then we hear from a republican legislator that the iron ore would help businesses all over Wisconsin buy cheap steel. I didn't know that we had smelting plants in Wisconsin. The truth is the iron ore would be shipped to the highest bidder and could end up anywhere in the world. It's still very hard to believe that the environment will be the biggest priority.

gamersdontcry
gamersdontcry

It appears that windy33 still has that corn cob stuck in the lower extremity. The brain has to much pressure on it and isn't working properly.
Let's just mine now and find out what is in the bill after it has passed. Those are some famous words from Queen Nancy. To bad she isn't in the same class as Walker. At least Walker has a clue how to create jobs and make the economy for taxpayers better.

TheMatador
TheMatador

Speaking of brain power...the word is 'too*'.

Why now, are you pulling Nancy into this? Are you out of other talking points?

WesternHorizon
WesternHorizon

Gamer:

Look at my post and you will find that Walker has a clue on creating jobs for Michigan not Wisconsin. Why do you think that the people of Iron County voted in mass for Barrett? It is because they know they will only get the tailings not the ore of this pit mine.

Roundtable
Roundtable

With Mr Barrett wining that county 61% -38% in the recall,the Republicans have their work cut out for them.Sounds like a tea party no-no word ,compromise.It just may work that way.But with those numbers....

TheMatador
TheMatador

Well, see. The people in that county don't know what's good for them. Walker and Co will let them know what the best thing is for them to do.
See, they just don't know, they're like children.

#sarcasm

what justice
what justice

The original bill, written by the out-of-state mining company and proposed by their toadies in the WI R-party was among the most disgusting, corrupt pieces of legislation in the history of this state.

George Meyer, executive director of a pro-hunting and trapping advocacy organization, is no bleeding-heart enviro, but he knows that the deposits overlying the iron in the Penokee Range is laced with sulfides. If the MILLIONS OF TONS of waste rock this mine would produce were discarded on site, the headwaters of the Bad River, the main stem of the Bad River and Lake Superior further downstream, including the reservation of the Bad River Band of Lake Superior Chippewa, would all be permanently contaminated with acid waste from the mine.

Only people who stand to make billions--and then ship the cash out of state--or who have absolutely no regard for the environment whatsoever, would continue to propose this project.

Varth Dader
Varth Dader

Bend over Wisconsin, here it comes.

srwspoon
srwspoon

I have not seen one above ground mine that I like, they all destroy the land and it never, ever will recover to be anything at all like it was before the mining.

I am against above ground mines until the land can truly be restored to its "original productive" state. If that means that the price of the ore goes up, then sobeit.

srwspoon
srwspoon

P.S. I work in an industry that uses products that are comprised of the ores that would be mined in the proposed mine.

runnerwinz
runnerwinz

Rewrite Headlines: Liberals still oppose irresponsible polluting mining practices to benefit the wealth few and create jobs for out of state miners.

geo_
geo_

Tim Sullivan who is paid by mining interests is in charge??? How about we put someone with no knowledge or ties to the mining industry in charge for an unbiased opinion. Wisconsin isn't another state, Wisconsin is a treasure of fresh water.

Wolfpack
Wolfpack

Well, that's about the kind of thinking I'd expect from a liberal. Put someone who doesn't know squat about mining in charge of mining, to get an "unbiased" (read: uninformed) opinion. Brilliant thinking, there, geo. You're a real genius.

TheMatador
TheMatador

Bias is bias. Your recommendation is as absurd as the other. This needs someone who is knowledgable about mining but not directly able to be influenced by the mining company. Easy peasy.

Wolfpack
Wolfpack

"My" recommendation? Where have I said anything other than it's stupid to put somebody who doesn't know anything about mining in charge of mining, I agree with you. You need somebody who knows the industry but is relatively unbiased (you're never going to completely get rid of bias). Personally, I'm not convinced that Sullivan is as biased as you all apparently think he is, but I don't know the guy and aren't interested in making assumptions.

lloll
lloll

Im a hippie liberal leftist heart bleeding commie America hating tree hugger.

I'm not really but I thought I'd save some of you time because I'm certain you'll call me that after you read this.

The mine will almost certainly result in a net loss of revenue for the government and the locals. The money lost will end up in the hands of a few wealthy individuals who have no interest in seeing Wisconsin do well. Only interest in extracting every bit of value from the land no matter the damage.

Make them wait until the value of the ore covers the cost of cleaning up their mess otherwise taxpayers will be footing the bill for clean up costs

WI_Expat
WI_Expat

Rewrite of headline: Liberals still oppose jobs and will fight mining bill....again.

geo_
geo_

Glad to see your willing to have the mining spoils and waste water put in you back yard. If all the supporters of Walker allow the mining waste be deposited in their yards, we might have a deal.

TheMatador
TheMatador

Rewire: Conservatives want to poison the people of Wisconsin and ruin the landscape so their cronies can make a little coin...again.

Get a life.

Jane_NoDough
Jane_NoDough

So, Walker is banking on Waangaard winning Racine County. I sure hope they check those ballots more than one time..........this was fishy all the way through. Walker needs him to get this passed.

windy33
windy33

don'tworry kathy nicholas and the koch brothers will see to it that he wins.

srwspoon
srwspoon

You are completely full of "it" today, aren't you?

spooky tooth
spooky tooth

windy33, you make a good point. 14 billionaires contributed to Walkers recall election, only one from the WI. Raise your hand if you think the Koch brothers and the other billionaires had WI well being in mind.

rodeodance
rodeodance

YUP!