Gov. Scott Walker's proposed income tax cut is likely too small to help individual taxpayers or the Wisconsin economy but could be large enough to harm the state's future fiscal soundness, according to experts reacting Thursday to the governor's 2013-15 budget.

However, some said the cut would send a positive signal, echoing the governor's budget address on Wednesday.

"The message sent by this cut to businesses and workers will hopefully help keep our best and brightest here, which can only improve the state's economy and overall quality of life," said Mike Ford, research director of the free-market Wisconsin Policy Research Institute.

The two-year spending plan calls for a state income tax cut averaging $106 for a family of four earning $80,000 a year. That's about $2 per week.

For low-income taxpayers, the cut is even more miserly: An estimated $2 a year for those earning less than $21,000, according to an analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy done for the Wisconsin Budget Project. That analysis also showed the wealthiest taxpayers, those earning $374,000 or more, would see a cut of $285.

"The governor has argued that by putting more money in people's hands, the tax cuts will spur economic growth in Wisconsin," said Andrew Reschovsky, a UW-Madison professor of public affairs and applied economics. "There is no evidence that the tax cut will do much to encourage growth and job creation."

Mark Schug, a UW-Milwaukee professor emeritus who now consults in the area of economic education, agreed such a cut is not likely to be an economic boost.

"I do tend to think that the income tax reduction is not sufficient," Schug said.

Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie said the proposed tax cut is modest because "we had to work within the constraints of our budget to get tax relief to middle-class families."

Wisconsin's state income tax rate ranks among the top 10 for households earning between $40,000 and $150,000 a year, according to a study cited by state budget officials Wednesday. Walker's proposal for a roughly 2 to 3 percent state income tax cut would return a projected $343 million to state income taxpayers over the next two years.

The Republican governor has said he would use the state surplus, expected to be $442.7 million by June 30, to pay for the cuts. But beginning in 2016, Walker's budget projects negative balances.

Reschovsky warned that while returning the state's surplus to taxpayers may sound like a good idea, it could leave the state vulnerable if the national economy takes another downturn.

"The budget surplus ... is a one-time event, attributable to last year's budget lapse, and to somewhat more robust revenue growth than initially forecast," Reschovsky said. "Reducing income tax rates provides a permanent reduction in the flow of tax revenue in Wisconsin. The result will be the expansion of the state's structural deficit."

Todd Berry, executive director of the Wisconsin Taxpayers' Alliance, said he is puzzled by Walker's apparent about-face on the deficit, which the governor repeatedly cited in the last budget cycle as justification for large unpopular cuts to education and increases in the amount public employees must contribute to their pension and health plans.

"They (Republicans) spent a lot of political capital — think the protests at the Capitol — but they improved these (budget) numbers," Berry said. "It's just ironic that they seem so quick to give up all these improved measures of fiscal health. ... It seems somewhat short-sighted."

"The return of the structural deficit is concerning," Ford agreed. "The hope is that a continued economic recovery will ensure its return is only temporary."

And that, said Berry, is largely out of Walker's hands.

"Generally speaking, it's going to be the national economy, global economics and global events that are going to affect state economies," he said. "It's very hard to do anything very substantive on the state level because there are much larger forces at work."

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mzd
mzd

A speech full of teapot double speak carefully calculated to appeal to the national tea drinkers. Paul Ryan and Ron Johnson better watch their backs!

tomtom
tomtom

when did Walker become George W Bush?

IndependentinWis
IndependentinWis

Once again I read here that the poor don't pay taxes. Most people that live in poverty and work, pay more of their incomes in taxes than someone making 100 grand year. You are right is saying they pay less in income taxes, but when you look at the FICA and Medicare taxes, the sales taxes, the property taxes, either in a house they own or rent, and all of the fees they pay, an example a car registration and drivers license, they pay a greater percentage of their incomes in taxes than most of you writing on this message board.

I'll agree that adding those taxes in does raise their % but rich people still pay Far more. Since they make more their houses, and the taxes that go with it are bigger. Same for sales tax....they buy more, and of course their income, SS, FICA, etc are all higher.

array1
array1

It's pretty much a given; The more money you make the less % of your income you pay as tax. In great part because of the increased number of loopholes available to the rich.

BuckyW
BuckyW

Hey neocons, try and justify Walker borrowing 1 billion for the creation of government jobs. How does that fit into your "balanced budget" narrative?

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

Celador, you probably should have done your spelling homework before you started commenting on education. Walker said this tax cut would increase demand for goods and services. He did. I'm not sure where he learned that $2.00 a week would be sufficient to do that. Maybe somewhere where the workers are paid about $2.00 a week..that would double their income. When will his backers recognize he's as smart as a turnip on a good day? He's surrounded himself with corrupt people, appointed and hired them and they're felons..he chaired the WEDC and neglected to notice that nobody had been hired to vet the businesses or follow the loans. He didn't put one financial expert on that board that ran a financial agency. And some people want him to run for President? How funny. He makes Palin look like Einstein!

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

@ bluffsinview: Why do you only mention the best efforts of Walker? What about all the things he's really messed up?

pikerover
pikerover

Bluff .... I walked into a Kwik Trip looking for something under $2.00 .... For $2.00 ya can buy a bag of chips. Whooo Wheee

skippie
skippie

I will not turn down $100. But than again, I am smarter than the average liberal.

celador
celador

Gv Walker did not raise taxes and is moving in the right direction. He would lower taxes more if he could. Wisconsin is about fifth highest in taxes in US and one of the most unfriendly for retirees according to Yahoo news reports.

Thank you , Scott Walker for keeping taxpayers and OUR money in mind when doing a budget. The best may be yet to come.

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

@ celador: Fiction - a map of "aging" America shows that Wisconsin is one of the states with high numbers of senior citizens. If the taxes were so unfair, why do so many remain? Also, Wisconsin has been on DECLINE in taxing its citizens for over 10 years according to news reports. Google both facts to verify.

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

When you finally wake you, you're going to slap yourself for being so blind.

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

you are smarter than the average liberal, questionable on face value, no validation for that and there is no such thing as the "average" liberal but nice try skippie :-)

array1
array1

I bet you wouldn't turn down $100 for anything.

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

@ Skippie - Do you mean in a Suzie Favor Hamiliton sort of way? Or in a Scott Walker kind of way? Wait, there really isn't a difference is there?

PapaLorax
PapaLorax

for everyone laughing at the "minuscule" tax cut...

I am o.k. with more spending cuts and more tax cuts...are you? I don't think we are the point of an efficient state workforce yet.

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

@PapaLorax, yes, I'm good with more spending cuts, let's start by identifying some that you take advantage of and cut those first!

array1
array1

No wonder walker wants to add more state employees. Latest data show Wisconsin private sector job creation continues to slow. As of June 2012 Wi ranked the 42nd worst state for job creation. New data show that since then Wi job creation has further decreased.

Friday's report from the state Department of Workforce Development also included these findings:
Private-sector wages fell 1.2% in the latest 12-month period, even as the state added jobs. That means the state has seen a shift toward lower-paying jobs.

But hey, thanks for the $2.00 rebate Mr. Walker.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/states-privatesector-job-creation-slowed-census-data-show-k18somg-192535071.html

PapaLorax
PapaLorax

part of that is our continued low unemployment compared to the rest of the country.

It's not a REBATE. It's a tax cut. You pay less...and if you are only getting $2 back then you are hardly paying anything into the system to begin with...what do you want? oh let me guess - you want money from the state that you never paid in the first place.

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

@ PapaLorax: Fiction - a low unemployment rate would cause wage INFLATION not wage DEFLATION. Simple supply and demand. Furthermore, the reason for the low unemployment rate is people FLEEING Wisconsin since Walker took over. Ranking 42nd in job creation is not the mark of being "open for business" but rather for being "closed to thinking".

http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/why-are-people-leaving-wisconsin-state-ranked-in-top-for/article_9051c464-76f9-11e2-9b37-0019bb2963f4.html

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Fact or Fiction

@ array1: Fact

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

Mr. Walker says his income tax cut for us will spur the economy. For someone making around 21,000$ a year the cut will amount to 2$ for the year! Holy cow, 200 pennies! Let's start spurring with that! :-)

celador
celador

I agree we need larger tax cuts to spur the econmy. Let those cuts begin. As a top taxed state, we do ned a break from high taxes.

bigdaddy61
bigdaddy61

That's right all you lefties keep on whining about who gets to keep more of their own money. I have news for you the reason I get a bigger tax break than you is because I earned it you didn't. We need to quit helping the non produceers suck of the wealth of the producers. While they are at it lets end the Earnerd Income Tax Credit as well. The feds give all the parasites tax refunds on money others pay Rules should be real simple you put nothing in you get nothing back. Bottom line is earn your own damn money I am sick and tired of you stealing mine. Thanks Scott for doing what is right for everyone who pays taxes by allowing them to keep a little more of their hard earned money.

midwestguy
midwestguy

Teabots like yourself are the reason this state is in free fall, but your pathological lack of a conscience would preclude you from understanding why this is detrimental to everyone who lives here.

PapaLorax
PapaLorax

free fall? Unemployment way below national average. Slight cut in taxes. Great schools. Great universities. Government surplus, working on the GAAP deficit.

I am sure a lot of states would love to be in this free fall.

pikerover
pikerover

Papa, you might want to look all that up and not just believe what you read on Walker's website. I would think any gains are because of Obama's polices than anything Walker has done. Surplus??.... You might want to look that up. Can you say "Kick the Can"?

sebastian
sebastian

If public employee apologists worked as hard as they whined, the economy would be growing at 3+%.

array1
array1

Perhaps you could by a cardboard crown with your $2.00 walker refund.

bookman21
bookman21

Spend your $2.00 per week wisely.

bookman21
bookman21

Now the public employees who were burned for $500 per month can start spending again and creating some real jobs.

sebastian
sebastian


You mean they're going to quit government employment and start their own businesses? They're going to risk their own capital to innovate and expand the real economy?

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

@ sebastian: Fiction - Business needs the private sector just as much as Government needs the business sector. How much is Walker allocating for "transportation" and which trucking company is receiving $500,000 or more in free advertising in the "Wisconsin is Driven" campaign? Schneider Trucking of course, the same company caught making overpayments to Walkers campaign fund in 2010. Oops!

tomtom33
tomtom33

Any loss to any public employee is a gain to all taxpayers including public employees. The net result is zero.

array1
array1

And all this time state employees have been complaining about the walker enacted 10% pay cut when they have actually gained.

buckthorn
buckthorn

So it's good for everyone that some group does worse? That's a nice piece of twisted logic. Still scapegoating public employees, eh? Scapegoating is usually done by the lowest forms of life, by a mob of fools. Here's something real: I take home less money than I did 6-7 years ago. You think that's good for everyone, including me? And array1 says we actually gained? Where do you come up with such nonsense (don't tell me; I think I know), and how can you possibly believe it?

Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

@buckthorn;

"Scapegoating is usually done by the lowest forms of life, by a mob of fools."

Scapegoat: n; One that is made to bear the BLAME of others (emphasis mine).
Scapegoated: tr v; To make a scapegoat of.

Which "lowest forms of life, [..] mob of fools" has been doing most of the public 'scapegoating' nationally since 01/20/2009?

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

@Cornelius Gotchberg (below)
"Which "lowest forms of life, [..] mob of fools" has been doing most of the public 'scapegoating' nationally since 01/20/2009?"

Open your eyes! You need to revise your date, your comment should read...

Which "lowest forms of life, [..] mob of fools" has been doing most of the public 'scapegoating' nationally since 01/20/2001? It was a new policy implemented after loosing the election in 2000.

Cornelius Gotchberg
Cornelius Gotchberg

@AllAmerican11B;

My humblest apologies! I was distracted while my mother was yelling at me from upstairs (something about getting out of the basement and looking for a job) and I hit the wrong key.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

The Gotch

bookman21
bookman21

I must have fallen asleep. When was "What would Jesus do?" replaced by "What would Ayn Rand do?"

sebastian
sebastian

What are you doing? Whining doesn't count.

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

bookman21/that would be the GOP VP hopeful & loser, Paul Ryan who is a disciple of Ayn Rand and her brand of "let 'em die in the gutter"

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Fact or Fiction

@ Fairness and Justice - but I saw a picture of Paul Ryan and his wife washing dishes in a soup kitchen. You don't mean that was just a photo op for Republican propaganda purposes, do you?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/10/15/charity-president-unhappy-about-paul-ryan-soup-kitchen-photo-op/

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

Fiction

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

so according to bigdaddy61 those who work for $21,000 a year and get rewarded with a 2$ a year tax break are "non producers" and "parasites" ? Well it's great to know where all you GOP fundmantalist Christians stand for once! Way to discount the efforts of others, you should be so proud.

PapaLorax
PapaLorax

They should have given poor people a much bigger cut. Let's say a family of 4 earning $30k...they should get a $3,500 cut. Think of all the good that will do for the economy.

196ski
196ski

Respectfully disagree with you PapaLorax.

Wisconsin is one of the few States that has a progressive income tax. The more you make the more you pay. Wisconsin also raised the taxes on the top bracket in 09, the 24 hour, no discussion or public comment law.

It isn't the State's money, the money belongs to the Taxpayers. If you paid in more you should see a larger reduction in your tax bill. It is YOUR money, anything else is just redistribution which is not the States job.

Personally I would like to see the State take any excess can put it into a rainy day fund to cushion the impact of the next recession, assuming we ever get out of this one. That would require strict legislation keeping politicians greedy hands off the cash until it is really needed.

PapaLorax
PapaLorax

196ski...I am totally kidding. I would doubt a family of 4 making $30k even pays state income. If they do it's far below $3,500.

tomtom33
tomtom33

The problem with strict legislation is that the people who pass it can change it.

A family of 4 earning $30k already pays less than $3500 in taxes, so you suggest they should pay nothing while Someone making $60k pays around $10k? More redistribution.

PapaLorax
PapaLorax

oh the internet and lack of sarcasm context...middle - I post enough here to know where you stand...why don't you know where I stand?

My whole point is exactly what you said. I don't suggest that they should pay nothing...I would almost guarantee that they already pay nothing. So laughing at the $2 cut they get...hell that might be a 100% cut in their taxes.

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Fact or Fiction

@ PapaLorax: Thanks for making it clear you laugh at and ridicule families of 4 earning $35,000 a year or less. I hope you are up front about that with everyone you meet in person, such as the waitress at the restaurant, or the janitor at your workplace, and don't just open up here at madison.com.

celador
celador

Does such a low income even pay taxes? How about a tax cut for the ones who pay the most in proportion and stop all this income redistribution. That redistrivition is already turned Wisconisn into a welfare state with high taxes.

But yes all Wisconsin taxes are too high and should be cut.

digger
digger

O thank you Rock Star Scottie, I've already ordered my Kit Kat with my savings. How much will the Koch bros advance? Wisconsin, open for_________ (fill in the blank)

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

@digger, open for taxpayer funded exploitation

IndependentinWis
IndependentinWis

You GOPer's can say what you want about the budget, but even many GOP lawmakers aren't happy with a lot of it, including freezing spending by public school districts so that Walker can give more money to the Voucher schools. And why do what the Feds did, give a tax cut and end up with a deficit the in the next budget go around. I really don't believe that there is a real budget surplus out there, but if there is, save it in the bank in case our economy in this state goes down, which is likely, rather than go up.

pony
pony

when is the last time gov saved anything

JackJoe
JackJoe

That depends for who..............

celador
celador

Three cheers for school choice and vouchers. This huge extortion and monoploy has got to stop. Lt the oublic decide where to send students.

Afterall, competition helps us all and market demand creates winners as well as losrer. No more top heavy school monopolies that drain state resources shoulllld exisit.

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

The GOP railed against the "structural deficit" ran by Doyle, now Mr. Walker porposes one in his so called budget and the GOP loud mouths have lost their voices about it, except an honest few!

Fur94
Fur94

There article about the budget yesterday also noted that Walker's budget would have $188 million in unfunded programs by 2015, and that Walker wants to sell state properties (which I assume are power plants) to add funds to the transportation fund. Strengthening the budget on either of these issues would be better for the state then the tax cut.

Selling the state property especially is a concern for the state long term. Whoever is looking to buy, thinks they can make money in the deal, and that money will come from taxpayers.

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

Fact

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

The Kochs will buy the power production at Wlaker's fire sale prices and then sell that power to you, I'll bet it'll be quite the bargain too!

smithy
smithy

What's happening with that 250,000 jobs promise? This ain't gonna help that. Probably will even lose a few more jobs.

array1
array1

Didn't you hear? walker gave up on that. Instead he now proposes Wi tax payers foot the bill for walkercare to cover 250,000 Wisconsinites that the walker-rejected federal money would have covered.

The guy and his fans are complete maroons.

celador
celador

Medicaid expansion woulld drain WIsconsin even more than the Obamacare exchanges will. Walker was attacked for not agreeing to cooperate with exchanges now he is attacked for not expanding Medicaid. Taxpayers are stiffed either way but more with uncharted expansion of Medicaid.

tomtom33
tomtom33

Do you always believe everything that anyone tells you? Has Obama reduced our deficit? Has he closed Gitmo? Did he keep unemployment below 8%? Want more?

Nav
Nav

President Obama said he would pass a good health care law. he did. He said if he had information that Osama Bin Ladin was in Pakistan, he would go after him. He did. He said he would end the Iraq war. He did. He said he would start ending the Afghan war. He did. Want more tomtom33?

What promises did Governor Walker make and has he kept any?

TS78
TS78

Divide and Conquer?

Lionhear
Lionhear

Wisconsin's economy is also affected by the national economy, and that won't change for at least four more years.

exactly - When Walker made that pledge I'm sure he figured there was no way Obama would ever get re-elected after such a horrible first term, but now we will be stuck in Neutral for 4 more years.

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

actually, if Walker had an honest bone in his GOP body, he'd admit that he knew full well as did many others that Obama would most likely defeat Mittens, Walker's lie about not knowing who would be elected is no excuse for his even bigger blunder about the 250,000 jobs, it's on him, he needs to own it!

tomtom33
tomtom33

Dewey was supposed to defeat Truman. Can you imagine a Republican winning Teddy's Senate seat? There is a reason that we actually cast and count ballots.

uspotme
uspotme

I'm thinking with my raise this year at work our combined incomes will be close to the magical $80,000.00 You should of saw my wife and I celebrating when I told her the good news. She's five two and I'm six feet tall. That woman's chest thump nearly wiped me out. We are having a hard time wondering what we are going to do with our unexpected windfall. We are going to have two kids in college next fall. This money will go a long way to helping me out.

Good golly conservatives do you know why this "progressive" is getting raise. I was able to increase sales and gross margins this year. I had a damn good year. Contrary to you what you conservatives think I got that through hard work. It wasn't handed to me. In your small minded world you have the market cornered on hard work and money making ability. What separates me from you is that I realize there are people less fortunate than I and I feel for them. Walker can take this tax cut and ..........I'll let you finish the sentence.

robertsthc
robertsthc

So you obviously would have been happier if your taxes went up.

PapaLorax
PapaLorax

then take the tax cut and donate it to a charity...isn't freedom great

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

@uspotme, congratulations on all your hard work and dedication to your career! Happy that it's paying off for you! Walker can take this tax cut and "buy some postage and mail himself to somewhere far, far away" and do it before we lose Saturday mail service, please.

This is a news article? Really? What genius figured out that lower income peopel who don't owe taxes won't get as much of a Cut than higher earners who pay the majority of taxes? Where is the associated article that show that someone who makes $21k pays no taxes and someone who makes $65k is paying $11,000 !!!!!!! So if they only get $2/year and the higher wage earner gets $100 somehow we are cheating the guy who is paying Nothing?? Really????

witness2012
witness2012

MOR, another disingenuous comment from you! I wonder if you purposely misrepresent factual information or if you just really don't understand how taxes are calculated?

The person making $65,000 in your example, does not likely pay $11,000 in taxes since it is really calculated after deductions and credits are taken into account. It is also possible that the person making $21,000 can't take advantage of tax credits like mortgage interest deductions because s/he doesn't make enough to afford a home. Each person's situation determines how much s/he pays in taxes.

Walker misrepresented this issue as favoring low income and middle income citizens, when it benefits the wealthiest citizens more and it creates a structural deficit which makes it even more irresponsible.

Not disengeniune. I figured in an average amount of deductions, however you are correct that my numbers are wrong as I was not just talking about State tax....I included State and fed. Walker also did not misrepresent this. Most of the gains will be by middle income people as they pay the majority of Taxes. In the article they mentioned how much someone making $375k would get. Can you tell me how many people make that much? Not very darn many. Most fall into the middle class and make $35k - $120k. People making much less than that already don't owe anything.

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

Fact

sarge
sarge

Nice work scottie...you can tell your brain dead supporters that you lowered taxes even though it's a pittance while simultaneously you get to further defund the state and it's infrastructure and social programs at the same time. Later I'm sure you will use the budget shortfall as a excuse to screw a bunch of people.

It's Chicago School of Economics disaster capitalism at it's best: create a crisis and profit from it politically while your richest friends profit monitarily

Nav
Nav

I am glad to see new bloggers on here coming to express their opinions against Governor Walker's policies. They are real people who truly want what's best for the state.

tomtom33
tomtom33

If anyone wanted to destroy the State, and then succeeded, there would be nothing left to govern.

Lionheart
Lionheart

This income tax cut and some of the other spending that will lead us back down the road to structural deficits just shows it was never about the money, but it's all about politics. This is nothing new on either side or any governmental level, but it is unfortunate. As far as Scooter getting re-elected? I firmly believe that more people in this state would vote against him rather than for him, but that's not what the election will be. Unless the Dems put up something better than a back-bencher re-tread they will probably lose again. And there doesn't seem to be anyone on the horizon up to the job with the possible exception of Ron Kind. Maybe there's a dark horse. I hope so or it's four more years, assuming that he doesn't join a Republican administration at the national level.

dakref
dakref

This is just another scooter stunt to get re-elected. Toss the people a bone and hope they're grateful. Just might work. The voting public's memory seems to be short.

dairyjoe
dairyjoe

And $6to $270 will stimulate the economy,how. Didn't this work well when Bush did them 10 years ago.

Did it work better when Barack increased taxes and Spent more?

So the "Experts" in the article claim these cuts could leave Wis vulnerable if the National economy takes another downturn. So basically it will only be bad if Barack Blows it, and somehow that will be Walker's fault? Barack has done Nothing to get the economy going in 4 years and is proposing nothing different now, so sadly that is a very real possibility. Barack spends all his time and energy trying to blame things on the GOP and make them look bad for political purposes. Wehn is he going to propose a budget so he could face the questions Scott Walker is currently facing? When is he going to tackle any of our countries most pressing issues? Jobs, economy, deficit? Barack will spend the next 4 years jumping from 1 manufactured crisis and issue to another......women on the front lines, poor cabinet nominees, immigration and (leaks from his office), gun restrictions, gay boy scouts, gay marriage in Cal, etc, etc. Meanwhile Where is his Budget??? Why aren't the Dems asking for a budget as the GOP is? If this were Bush, surely they'd be asking for a Budget.

Fur94
Fur94

middleoftheroad,

Yesterday you said something similar about Obama not submitting a budget, and another poster and I both sent you the link. Here it is again if you missed it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget

I am not surprised that the House Republicans don't like it, and don't want to put it up for debate. However their talking point that he hasn't submitted one is completely false.

I beleive budgets are supposed to begin in the Senate, right? The Dems have a majority there. If Barack was even remotely serious about a budget he would at least MENTION it once in a while, but he hasn't. 4 YEARS. So you say he has proposed 1, but he hasn't passed 1. He is completely incapable of negotiating anything. His only skill is campaigning and raising money.

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

In 8 years Ronnie Reagan not once submitted a BALANCED BUDGET but he was a hero for many? Strange.

EmmaM
EmmaM

He needs to be voted out of office now.

EnuMPowers
EnuMPowers

You already tried that sucker. Epic Fail. Ha Ha Ha.

JackJoe
JackJoe

Victory for who?

You looked in your wallet lately - or is your disdain for others more important than even your own financial interests?

I'm assuming your not a Captain of Industry blogging here - I know a lot of them, and they don't do that. They're too busy.

No wonder the cheerleaders don't run the football team.

EnuMPowers
EnuMPowers

I love the smell of angry pathetic progs in the morning, it smells like....VICTORY!

Viva Walker!!

Nav
Nav

Don't u wish people shared your fake enthusiasm for Governor Walker? LOL

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

If you are sniffing a prog in the morning you need to get a life and stop stalking people!

celador
celador

Hold another recall if you do not accept theelection results. That is the Democratic party way is it not?
Vote and recall until you get your way, My way or the highway.

How are results of all the recallls?

madconservative
madconservative

Are these the same "experts" who predicted the downfall of the republic when Act 10 was passed? For all of you that are saying they don't want the tax cut " because it is too small" , please feel free to send it my way....like any conservative, I will invest it and help grow the economy.....and I get that ANY spending by Walker will never be enough for the Dane County elite, but smile, you have Gov Walker for at least 2 more years, and hopefully 10 more!

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

Fiction: No one predicted the "downfall of the republic" when Act 10 was "passed". First, the prediction was for the downfall of the REPUBLICANS, which did occur with several successful recalls. Second, ACT 10 wasn't "passed" it was a 100% Republican only piece of legislation that was a surprise attack. Walker lied about his intentions. But smile, the John Doe investigation is still active, as is Walker's defense fund with additional money added to it for good measure in December.

mzd
mzd

I will add any tax cut I receive to the amount I donate to the next Democratic candidate for governor. I suggest that all who think Scooter and the flat earth society has been a disaster for Wisconsin do the same.

kjsdaddio
kjsdaddio

I am a broken record, I play the same song over and over. Snotty Walker is part of the Grand Obstructionist Party conspiracy. Programmed by the Devil to destroy the middle class with the end result of corporate America as a ruling class. He has proved his allegiance time and time again. He thinks that he is smart by leading the sheep to their own demise, well, I'm here to tell you that sheep have teeth, and the people of Wisconsin will bite. Some of you haven't caught on yet with your narcissistic mentalities, but you will once it directly affects your lives. You messed up when you had the chance to rid our state with the recall, now you have to wait two years, and by that time, this man with his cronies will ramrod and do their best to throw this state into oblivion.

TexasBadger
TexasBadger

Scott Walker, brain power, now that's funny. He's a college dropout owned by the Koch brothers. He hired crooks to be on his staff and appointed criminals to embezel money from veterans. Now he wants to sell State assets on no bid deals to his cronies while he looks for adulation for tax cuts that returns more to the wealthy than the people who really need it. Keep on Wisconsin, Keep on. Blithering idiot with a big fat defense fund.

tomtom33
tomtom33

You must have really liked the Democratic nominee for Lt. Governor who never even went to college.

Nav
Nav

tomtom33, did you ever see the LT Governor candidate be a subject of a John Doe investigation, like Governor Walker seems to be?

Did he ever hire people working under him who committed crimes?

Did he polarize the state like our Governor has?

I would like to see him run against Governor Walker in 2014, and I believe he will defeat him handily.

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Nav, that guy whose name no one can remember is NOT going to defeat Governor Walker unless Walker is in "The Big House" by then.

gobi
gobi

Way to change the subject tt. That all you got? Maybe you condone Governors that get kicked out of colege for cheating- I don't. Says a lot about a person.

tomtom33
tomtom33

I did not bring up the college drop out. I merely responded to a very common criticism.

Walker was not kicked out of college.

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Fact or Fiction

tomtom33, which man never belonged to a union? That's two strikes against walker, one against that guy who ran for Lt. Gov. whose name you can't remember.

sebastian111
sebastian111

Fact or Fiction- If you mean prison when you say Walker is going to land in "The Big House", I am in full agreement with you -- that is exactly where he is headed.

sarge
sarge

is this democratic nominee you speak of responsible for the policy we are discussing Tomtom?

If he's not so smart, then why/how is He Governor and you are What?????

TexasBadger
TexasBadger

I am someone with a conscious ability to determine right from wrong. Most of the time lately the right is wrong.

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

He's the governor because he's willing to do whatever his rich backers tell him to do, in return for millions of dollars in ads. That's why. He's the governor because they know a tool when they see one, that's why. He's the governor because he has no morals of a shred of integrity and will lie whenever he opens his mouth. Look at his eyes. Have you ever seen eyes that dead before? There is no soul behind them. None.

scorp
scorp

Experts? Merely dems in drag using innocuous names for their org in an attempt to fool the public .If the dude gets public tax money , he is neither an expert or unbiased. Walker is believable primarily because he does not blame everything on his predecessor ,unlike the lier in DC. Go Walker!

TexasBadger
TexasBadger

Yes, I agree. Please go Walker, please go.

Nav
Nav

Scorp, you have been brainwashed. Governor Walker has been blaming everyone else but himself for anything that goes wrong in the state. I think most Wisconsin taxpayers/voters/citizens are getting to know this fact very well.

You must not read the news very much. Nice try at putting your spin but it's not working any more!

Big_Joe
Big_Joe

Walker, in blaming others for his shortcomings, seems to have learned from the master, our Blamer-in-Chief.

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Fact or Fiction

@ Big_Joe, you mean the Koch Brothers blame others for their money problems?

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

I really, truly wish you tea party people would learn to spell. It IS your language, after all.

nufsenuf
nufsenuf

Iterestingly, when we finally have a surplus "experts" (supposedly) oppose returning it to the taxpayers, instead touting the merits of saving it for a rainy day. However, for the previous twelve years a governor spent every last cent and then much more as well creating a large deficit with no reserve and I never heard so much as whisper of complaint.

I too believe it may be better to build a surplus but certainly find it hypocritical that once again there is a 'knee-jerk' opposition just because it is THIS governor.

Nav
Nav

nufsenuf,

I think the people of Wisconsin would be upset at ANY Governor who they felt harmed the state and took it backward. It has nothing to do with what party the Governor represents.

Having said that, the truth is NO Democratic Governor would show disdain towards the poor and the more unfortunate in our state.

No Democratic Governor would make deep cuts in education (under any circumstances) like Governor Walker has. Do you know any who has?

NO Democratic Governor would work to make sure the rich people get all the BIG tax breaks, like Governor Walker has. Do you know any who has?

NO Democratic Governor would cause such polarization in the state like Governor Walker has. Do you know any who has?

NO Democratic Governor would have as his goal to shut down Planned Parenthood in Wisconsin like Governor Walker has. Do you know any who has?

NO Democratic Governor would push for legislation that would restrict the right of people to vote like Governor Walker has. Do you know any who has?

NO Democratic Governor would make it more difficult, or more embarrassing, for women in the State to get abortions within the confines of Roe Versus Wade. Do you know any who has?

NO Democratic Governor would refuse Federal funds for Medicaid to assist the poor like Governor Walker has. Do you know any who has?

The list goes on and on.

So, please know there is no conspiracy to go after THIS Governor. He is not a victim of anything. However, Governors have to deliver what they promised, and a lot of taxpayers/voters/citizens of Wisconsin are looking at Governor Walker's record, and they are not liking it!

196ski
196ski

Then you must agree with Governor Walker when he allocated an additional Billion dollars for Medicaid in the 11-13 Budget.

You must be gratified to be living in one of the few States with a progressive income tax, you make more you pay more.

And your right, no Democratic Governor would tackle the hard issues without just answering with, "raise taxes".

The list goes on.

array1
array1

But the money walker proposes for Medicaid is ADDITIONAL UNNECESSARY Wisconsin tax payer dollars. Additional to the federal tax Wisconsinites ALREADY paid but walker refused to take.

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Nav
Nav

How about TRYING to rebut my points rather than launch personal attacks?

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Nav, you forgot. Doyle was bald and that eliminates all the other points you made. There has never been a Republican bald governor of Wisconsin that I remember. Think about it. But if Walker stays in office long enough....

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

They're afraid to face the fact that our governor is not only intelligence-challenged, but he and his cronies are all corrupt. Several of them have been caught..more to come...and once they see how quickly he throws his "friends" under the bus, they'll start talking. He didn't know anything about it..uh huh..I've got some land to sell you. He's the worst of them all, but he has rich backers who have so far kept it quiet...when they realize how incompetent he is, and when his days as a tool are over, it will all come out and he'll run out of his criminal defense fund..then, bye bye Scott.

davea
davea

Does lip stick on a pig phrase seem to fit?

blitzgirl
blitzgirl

I say keep the measily tax break and keep it in reserves for the state. $2 a week does nothing for me and will not increase my spending.

smithy
smithy

No recovery for you Wisconsin!

Observer5
Observer5

So $375,000 earners get a $285 per year cut and $21,000 earners get a $2 per year cut. This sounds reasonable since the wealthy are obviously suffering so much more than the poor and need some extra pocket change while the poor would probably just spend it on something trivial like groceries.

Good God, the people making $21k already aren;t paying taxes so why would they get a bigger refund? They also get food stamps, Health care, housing assistance, aid to children, on and on. Menawhile I get to pay $10-12k in taxes and yo complain that I might get $100 back and they get $2. That means that instead of my taxes being $11K and theirs $0 my taxes will now be $10,900 while theirs are now $0.
So the couple makinig $375k are paying around $50k ni taxes depending on the deductions they have, so a decrease of $285 will bring this down to $49,715. Does this help bring this into focus???

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Fact

Badger08
Badger08

I would say go a little South to IL to see what a 3rd class state actually looks like. That state has been ran by the unions for too many years, and it is now catching up to them! Living throughout the US for the last 20 years, I am proud to call WI home and hope one day to see people wake up from the bubble and see how good we actually have it!

Liberalsmakesense
Liberalsmakesense

We have it good? I don't know what planet you live in!

tomtom33
tomtom33

Virtually every State has it better than anything south of the Rio Grande although Chile and Uruguay are making strides.

Tricolor Dog
Tricolor Dog

Chile? Ah...you're one of those Milton Friedman freaks.

sarge
sarge

Being tom tom : making one straw man argument after another

tomtom33
tomtom33

When you make a straw man argument, you build up a position so you can knock it down. Exactly what position am I building up to knock down?

Benedict Ishkott
Benedict Ishkott

Badger08, I call BS on you. I, too, have lived out of WI for 20-plus years. California is nice, Texas is nice, Colorado and Utah are nice - even Oregon has good points. When I had returned to WI in 2009, I was shocked how Deep South, downright Confederate and filling up with desperate Latino transients, my home state had become. And there are now more old, subjectively wealthy (you're not rich compared to the rest of the US, folks) Tea Partying bigots than I've ever seen in one place - except Florida. The Dairyland is going downhill, people. And the selfishly entitled like, Badger08, are more than happy to ride the backs and drain the the paltry life savings of the poor to pay for the trip to Dixie land.

Lionhear
Lionhear

@benedict---Hmmm...not. Confederate?? Wisconsin remembers her brave sons who died maintaining the Union, and ending slavery. Don't ever call us Confederates, tool.

Benedict Ishkott
Benedict Ishkott

Lionhear, more BS wrapped in faux-patriotism. Save it for an election year. You're a bigot who happily supports low wages and the foolish immigrants and downtrodden forced to take those jobs. And your hypocritical self and ilk do believe illegal immigrants are even better employees because they can't possibly complain about working conditions. You sir or ma'am are indeed a Confederate - a trader to humanity.

Shake
Shake

Take my $106 and use it to help retain our most experienced teachers who are quitting in droves due to Il Duce's anti-education policies.

Not to worry. there are piles of talented, energetic young new teachers with new ideas who want jobs. We've been told teh pension fund is in great shape, so go ahead and quit and stop whining about it. If it's their choice who can complain about the ability to retire early. I know I surely will have to work to 65. Meanwhile If you don't want your $106 I'll take it.

JackJoe
JackJoe

Wrong - o. The teachers that my district lost were incredible - you should have had a few of them. Hopefully your kids did.

Also - we are not hiring "piles of talented, energetic young new teachers". We're not hiring and through vouchers, crippling public education in a race to the Bottom. Where the tube worms are.

I'm sure that many teachers who retired were very good, but if they retired a year or 2 earlier than they otherwise might have; First of all it was their choice. Secondly so they might have taught another yr or 2 and retired anyway. 3rd how can they complain about getting to retire in their late 50's / early 60's when most private sector workers will be on the job until 63-68?

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@ JackJoe - reasonable argument

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@ middleoftheroad: Fiction

Fairness and Justice
Fairness and Justice

GOP talking out of their hind ends: "there are plenty of talented, qualified educators out there to take those jobs" hahahahaha, good luck with that! Opinion? Yep. Fact? Nope.

I'm aware of plenty of new teaching grads who are in long and short term sub positions because they can't get a full time gig. I am not aware of any districts that are not able to fill positions or who are running short of qualified applicants. Please supply some facts.

knittingnancy
knittingnancy

Milwaukee has 700 open positions for teachers. Bigots need not apply. Whitefish Bay just lost a large number who will probably leave the state thanks to the repubs. Walker's "cuts" won't even buy a beer a week so he may as well forget his "bold" change. Glad I am retired even though my $7000+ home property tax grabs lots of my retirement. And my living is not fancy...house is 110 years old and on a tiny lot, but we agreed to help our schools for the future of other people in our area. Many rich in Wisconsin have big tax deductions and pay little. The only area making money is in dairy and farming and these use immigrants as hard workers.

tomtom33
tomtom33

If we have trouble filling teaching positions, we will have to pay more. That is called the market at work.

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

Only someone with Walker's deficient brainpower would tout that this tax cut will increase demand for goods and services. He did say that it would. I'm sure that someone getting maybe $2 a week will really boost the economy as they buy one extra cup of coffee that week. Then he said he wants people to be independent of government. Within minutes of that he touted giving away our public school money to private schools, which have BEEN independent on government. So now they won't be. He really thinks we're stupid and won't notice all his contradictions.

Badger08
Badger08

Not everyone in WI agrees with you, especially those of us who have lived elsewhere and seen the harm high property and state taxes can cause.

Liberalsmakesense
Liberalsmakesense

We can't verify where you have or have not been. Maybe not everyone in Wisconsin agrees with Tricolor dog, but a lot more people do than don't.

Walker and the Republican legislature has turned our state into a third class state. SHAME on them!

tomtom33
tomtom33

A lot more do than don't? Who won the recall?

Nav
Nav

I think u needed to be reminded, again, that many Wisconsinites voted for the Governor during the recall election, NOT because they liked all of his policies. They voted for him because they thought it was not fair to recall a Governor so early into his term.

But now the Governor has a very clear record of what he is all about, and I suspect the people of Wisconsin are not very impressed by it. I cannot imagine for one second that they would march to the polls in 2014 to re-elect him. Deep down I think you know this too.

Deep down, I think you know that after being handed a state in horrible shape Walker has done a remarkable job despite unbeleivable opposition. I would vote for him now even more so. I've never seen so many complain about a tax cut. People don't even complain about a tax increase this much. It's ridiculous.

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@tomtom33 - Walker didn't "WIN THE RECALL" Walker bought the recall. I think it was about $30 million dollars in spending vs $5 million by Barrett. That should have been a six to one vote margin if it had worked as well as intended. Madison.com reported that about 18 super wealthy donors contributed most of Walker's money, with much of it coming from out of state.

So if you consider that Democracy, then I can see why you think Walker "won". I don't agree.

JohnWIS
JohnWIS

No......Walker is doing everything that needs to be done, to prevent our state from becoming like Michigan and Calfornia.

Try opening your eyes...and listening with your ears.

(That is, of course, your not one of these people tho thinks that life owes you something, and everyone else should work to pay for you.)

sarge
sarge

I don't think johnwis that you know why california is the way it is but let me tell you but this: califirnia got that way from mandates via plebacite along with a whole lot of people voting to not pay taxes to fund those mandates via plebacite

in a way not all that different from George W bush atacking Iraq to the tune of a trillion bucks while lowering taxes at the same time. To be sure the Californians did vote for a large variety of expensive ordnances and laws that could be interpreted as left wing or tree hugging in nature but they also voted to not pay very much in property taxes or state income tax-see prop 13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)

Tricolor Dog
Tricolor Dog

Low taxes won't keep people from leavimg WI when everything that was good here has been ruined. In order to have a decent place to live and work, you have to have infrastructure and services. Somebody has to pay for that.

Are you volunteering to leave? Please

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@ Tricolor Dog: Fact
http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/mike_ivey/why-are-people-leaving-wisconsin-state-ranked-in-top-for/article_9051c464-76f9-11e2-9b37-0019bb2963f4.html

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

So true.

bluffsinview
bluffsinview

I know several white-collar professionals who have left WI because Gov. Walker and his Republican majority are 1. stupid (that's the nicest way to put it. and 2. are doing so much damage here that it would take decades to clean it up. He has a history of NEVER consulting with experts on anything he does. The Republicans do not listen to any facts or outcries from the majority of the people. Over 80% of the citizens are against the mining bill as it stands..but the Republicans don't care so long as their campaign coffers are filled by the corporations that call the shots here now. He's taking over Circus World, too...and never once consulted the management there. It's making money and he wants a part of it to pad his budget. He'd sell his mother's teeth if it made him look good to his blind supporters.

Liberalsmakesense
Liberalsmakesense

It is just another attempt on the part of the Governor to throw a little meat at the people of Wisconsin while eying the election next year. His proposal mean absolutely NOTHING and the taxpayers of Wisconsin are VERY upset at him for having made promises he is unable to keep.

Walker has lost all credibility with the people of Wisconsin through the state. I want to see a recent poll on his popularity