GOP bill would loosen restrictions on sales of long guns

2013-09-16T08:00:00Z 2013-09-16T09:08:27Z GOP bill would loosen restrictions on sales of long gunsSTEVEN VERBURG | Wisconsin State Journal | sverburg@madison.com | 608-252-6118 madison.com

A Republican effort to ease controls on purchases of rifles and shotguns from out of state might please hunters, but at least one Democrat sees it as an act of subservience to the National Rifle Association.

Senate Bill 285 would allow Wisconsin residents to purchase long guns from dealers anywhere in the U.S. Since 1971, state law has limited such transactions to states bordering Wisconsin.

“It’s just common sense,” said Rep. John Spiros, R-Marshfield, who plans to introduce the Assembly version of the bill. “The NRA had talked to me about it, and I’m sure they probably talked to Sen. (Tom) Tiffany,” the bill’s lead Senate sponsor.

Spiros said he also talked to some hunters who felt strongly in favor of the change.

In 1968 amid rising worries about armed criminals, the federal Gun Control Act was enacted banning interstate sales of firearms, while allowing an exception for long guns sold by federally licensed firearms dealers to residents of contiguous states. Wisconsin adopted the standard in 1971.

Then in 1986, the federal Firearms Owners Protection Act was passed allowing states to drop the bordering-states restriction.

Spiros, a freshman representative, said he didn’t know why Wisconsin’s restriction wasn’t dropped sooner.

“It’s like anything else we’re cleaning up,” Spiros said.

Gun control advocate Rep. Terese Berceau, D-Madison, said the restrictions are being lifted now because state government is dominated by Republicans and because the NRA has a grip on state legislatures across the country.

“This is gun season in that regard,” Berceau said, noting that two Colorado legislators recently were recalled over the support for gun control legislation.

She noted a draft bill requiring background checks for gun buyers that she and other Democrats unveiled in March has died. The proposal would have required background checks for those who buy firearms at gun shows, flea markets or on the Internet, and for transactions between individual owners. It hasn’t been scheduled for a hearing, Berceau said, and it’s unlikely it will be.

Most gun crimes involve handguns, so the bill loosening limits on rifle sales isn’t as pressing to gun-control advocates as other proposals, said Berceau and others seeking more restrictions to prevent crimes.

“I am guessing that they see an opportunity now for anything related to firearms to get an affirmative vote in this legislature,” Berceau said.

George Meyer, executive director of the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation, said he suspects hunters will be in favor of the bill.

“They may find what they are looking for at a better price, (and) there may be guns — and you get this especially with people who have sufficient resources and refined tastes for guns — there may be a gun that they just can’t find except in a few places in the United States,” Meyer said.

Jim Palmer, executive director of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, said the proposal didn’t seem problematic because it involves long guns, not handguns. Palmer said most other states have dropped the contiguous state restriction.

At the San Francisco-based Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, senior staff attorney Laura Cutilletta said interstate gun sales are worrisome because sellers don’t always know the laws in other states.

Tiffany could not be reached for comment.

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(34) Comments

  1. Cornelius Gotchberg
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    Cornelius Gotchberg - September 17, 2013 9:11 am
    @Wis_taxpayer;

    More than just your ol' buddy disagreeing with your misguideology here. Does your amatuerish pop-psychological advice extend to them all?

    And there are more than a few Lefties that back the 2nd Amendment, including my dear sister, who's a Lefty's Lefty. Try to break into her house and she'll put daylight through you!

    Then there's one George Zimmerman; perhaps you've heard of him?

    The Gotch
  2. milton's fried man
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    milton's fried man - September 17, 2013 1:05 am
    Not legal to shoot deer with a .223 but AR rifles come in a lot of other calibers. They are talking about any rifle or shotgun semi auto or not . I kind of wish both the gun lovers and gun haters would spend the time to know the laws and the subject before saying dumb stuff. Guns are hear to stay. The only really useful talk is how to you get gun owners to man up to the responsibility of gun ownership
  3. FearorLove
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    FearorLove - September 16, 2013 10:52 pm
    Hold on a minute what types of rifles are we talking about here M16's or single shot hunting rifles?

    If its M16's; yeah i'm sure every hunter wants one to kill a buck, no they don't.
    If its only slug rifles like a 12 gauge then yeah some hunters would want it.

    It would be nice to know what specific guns are Long Guns.
  4. Warrior93
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    Warrior93 - September 16, 2013 10:07 pm
    "At least 13 killed in shooting rampage at Washington Navy Yard, chief says"
    "But, the NRA said guns don't kill people?"

    We must have all forgot that guns walk to a location, aim, and fire by themselves. Lets now arrest that gun, charge it with a crime, put it on trial, have it testify, and sentence it. Blame the gun, not the person. It's the liberal way.
  5. Warrior93
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    Warrior93 - September 16, 2013 9:52 pm
    "Don't you understand 'Guns kill'?"

    I must have forgot guns walk to a location, aim, and fire all by themselves. Sorry about that. After the passing of each day it becomes more obvious to me that liberals have absolutely no sense of personal responsibility. Blame the gun, not the person using it for illegal purposes. That really makes sense.
  6. Warrior93
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    Warrior93 - September 16, 2013 9:50 pm
    Actually the liberal mainstream media is obsessed with so-called "assault rifles". We saw it after Aurora. We saw it after Newtown. We will see it again after today's shooting. The SCOTUS has declared the Second Amendment protects handguns and liberal politicians/their media puppets have moved onto the next set of firearms to ban. They stand up at their little podiums giving their little speeches about these apparently scary looking weapons. The data though for all the rhetoric shows these types of firearms are rarely used in crime. Don't expect them to tell the public that though.
  7. aspyder
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    aspyder - September 16, 2013 9:29 pm
    @Wis_taxpayer
    You know what’s really disgusting – …..

    The first recorded murder was with a rock.
    People have been killing people as long as there have been people. Throughout history, you name the item used as the murder weapon. Sure, a gun might make it a little easier but its still all about what is in the person’s heart.
    Now listen to a lot of today’s music. If it’s reflective of what some of society is then what have we become, animals? We respect no one or anything, speak of our women as whores and glorify violence. Then we wonder why there are so many violent acts against women and shootings in our streets.

    More than a half of a million people walk around WI fields and woods starting in the fall through Jan 1 with hardly a shooting, including accidental. If the gun was the problem surely there would be mass carnage during that time.
  8. GodHeals
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    GodHeals - September 16, 2013 9:02 pm
    Name a liberal that blows people's brains out with GUNS in the USA?

    Maybe you might consult Timothy McVeigh and the Abortion Nut-Jobs. Waiting. Slaughter of all animals to take care of short male body parts is happening in the GOP.

    aspire
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    aspire - 27 minutes ago
    Why don't we just keep guns out of the hands of liberals. That would surely reduce gun violence.
  9. aspire
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    aspire - September 16, 2013 8:34 pm
    Obuma obuma obuma. Pretty simple.
  10. aspire
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    aspire - September 16, 2013 8:32 pm
    Talk to obama.
  11. aspire
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    aspire - September 16, 2013 8:31 pm
    Why don't we just keep guns out of the hands of liberals. That would surely reduce gun violence.
  12. aspire
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    aspire - September 16, 2013 8:29 pm
    Wis non taxpayer, Really? Do you ever think of what you post?
  13. GodHeals
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    GodHeals - September 16, 2013 5:39 pm
    You are the sick one.

    Sick,

    Fox News Senior Expert Analyst referred to this site as a highly fortified and secure work place with incredible armed security. Like Wisconsin with a culture of drinking resulting in maximum deaths not because our people are any more prone to getting drunk but because we see it as part of the culture.

    Make at you: “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?” – Joseph Welch, June 9, 1954

    This country is sick in its love of guns and violence and just a small reflection of that the horrific results of that love: NFL Brain and then Death Injuries and culture of Thugness

  14. Wis_taxpayer
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    Wis_taxpayer - September 16, 2013 5:13 pm
    You know what's really disgusting... The NRA and the Republicans that do their bidding for them!

    You need psychological treatment.
  15. Cornelius Gotchberg
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    Cornelius Gotchberg - September 16, 2013 5:00 pm
    @Wis_taxpayer;

    13 people are dead (all their family members probably don't even know yet!) and you jump right in and politicize your anti-gun agenda; DISGUSTING!!

    You're no better than that pencil-necked salon.com dweeb David Sirota: "Let's hope the Boston marathon bomber is a white man."

    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/

    Then Uber-Lefty Mark Potok (SPLC) "Nah, it can't be a right-winger. It can't be any of that because nobody targeted the government. They didn't say they're angry at blacks, Jews, gays, Muslims, and the government, so it can't be a right-winger."

    I'm reminded of the succinct exchange from the 1954 Army-Senator Joe McCarthy hearings:

    “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?” – Joseph Welch, June 9, 1954

    The Gotch
  16. pikerover
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    pikerover - September 16, 2013 4:43 pm
    Big difference is Warrior legislators think that special interest groups are more important to their careers than you and I.
  17. Wis_taxpayer
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    Wis_taxpayer - September 16, 2013 4:02 pm
    "At least 13 killed in shooting rampage at Washington Navy Yard, chief says"

    But, the NRA said guns don't kill people?

    Yeah Wisconsin defiantly needs more relaxed gun laws!

  18. TheRestOfTheStory
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    TheRestOfTheStory - September 16, 2013 3:55 pm
    What a comment. Don't expect the liberal media to tell you that handguns kill more people that anything else? What do you think they've been saying all this time. Don't you understand 'Guns kill'? They know and have said time and again that handguns are created for the sole purpose of killing other people. Not for hunting or any other BS.

    Get real. It's the NRA and whack jobs that think it's reasonable to even have handguns available as easily as knives, blunt objects or anything else.

    If handguns or the ammunition were in 'real' control and not just treated as candy there would be far, far fewer homicides, stick-ups, etc in the country. It's your group that doesn't want to acknowledge that fact buddy.
  19. Warrior93
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    Warrior93 - September 16, 2013 3:25 pm
    It's a priority because a governor's mansion and state legislature controlled by democrats would rarely if ever pass a pro-gun bill. Even one like this that shouldn't be controversial. Can't blame the republicans. Not too often they have complete control of state government in Wisconsin.
  20. Warrior93
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    Warrior93 - September 16, 2013 3:11 pm
    "The crazies who would get their panties in a twist over this simple housekeeping measure need to explain why they want to restrict law-abiding citizens on an issue that has nothing to do with crime & homicide."

    They don't like guns. Whether someone is law-abiding or not doesn't change that.
  21. Warrior93
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    Warrior93 - September 16, 2013 3:09 pm
    Is it any worse than MAIG, The Brady Campaign, and other gun control groups telling legislators what they want? That is what interest groups are supposed to do and members expect it.
  22. Warrior93
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    Warrior93 - September 16, 2013 2:52 pm
    "Jim Palmer, executive director of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, said the proposal didn’t seem problematic because it involves long guns, not handguns. Palmer said most other states have dropped the contiguous state restriction."

    Palmer is correct. It's not problematic. Rifles (so-called "assault" ones included) and shotguns kill far less people per year than handguns, knives/cutting instruments, blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.), and personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.). Don't expect the liberal mainstream media establishment to ever tell you that though. This bill should have been passed a long time ago.

    http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html
  23. Polkadot
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    Polkadot - September 16, 2013 1:18 pm
    *yawn* As long as I'm unarmed, I'm not part of the problem.
  24. GodHeals
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    GodHeals - September 16, 2013 11:55 am
    Why is this a priority when so many do not have JOBS ! Just because ALEC and their joined at the hip child the NRA make it a priority does not make it so.
  25. GodHeals
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    GodHeals - September 16, 2013 11:53 am
    Maybe because you do not want to ? Simply but the GOP is not advancing bills from overwhelming number of Wisconsin Residents asking for them but advancing the causes of Multinational Corporations to subdue workers, privatize as much as possible with as little accountability as possibly for the greatest amount of public dollars as possible.

    If the public wanted the stuff the GOP is shoving down the throats of Wisconsinites then they should be able to produce documentation of who asked for it.

    Hope that was simple enough for you to, finally, grasp?
  26. Maerzie
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    Maerzie - September 16, 2013 11:33 am
    I am a Wisconsin resident. If I go through another state and see a gun for sale, by owner, there is absolutely no way to stop me, or anyone else, from buying that gun, unless each individual seller's home is going to be policed! A few token arrests may be made, but the problems will still remain uncontrolled.
  27. Maerzie
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    Maerzie - September 16, 2013 11:30 am
    There is absolutely zero control over person to person gun sales anywhere! The nutcases will be able to get guns, no matter how many laws are made. Telephone talk shows even sell them to anyone who responds to the offer. I have heard every type of gun for sale on radio sales shows. There is no way to control or track any of those sales, and the nutcases and felons are the most likely the ones to buy and stock-pile tons of them. Trying to control sales just gives a few people jobs in a futile mission! Mental help for, and awareness reporting OF, the nutcases, is still the best way to curtail the mass murders. And, the NRA will continue with their childish games forever anyway!
  28. Lynne4300
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    Lynne4300 - September 16, 2013 11:14 am
    "Then in 1986, the federal Firearms Owners Protection Act was passed allowing states to drop the bordering-states restriction."

    It's about time Wisconsin joins the rest of the states in dropping this restriction.
  29. pikerover
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    pikerover - September 16, 2013 10:43 am
    I don't have any problem with this except, again the NRA/Gun Manufactures are telling Legislators what they want.
  30. BSH
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    BSH - September 16, 2013 8:50 am
    "Jim Palmer, executive director of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, said the proposal didn’t seem problematic because it involves long guns, not handguns. Palmer said most other states have dropped the contiguous state restriction."

    'nuff said. The crazies who would get their panties in a twist over this simple housekeeping measure need to explain why they want to restrict law-abiding citizens on an issue that has nothing to do with crime & homicide.
  31. concerned_citizen
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    concerned_citizen - September 16, 2013 8:28 am
    clearly the biggest problem facing the people of WI
    is not enough guns.

    thanks to the SuperMajority Republicans for addressing this pressing problem.
  32. Velocity
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    Velocity - September 16, 2013 8:24 am
    I do not understand your comment. Please explain.
  33. Wis_taxpayer
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    Wis_taxpayer - September 16, 2013 8:07 am
    Jobs, Jobs, Jobs....... Laser focused!

    November 4th 2014 vote for a party that really cares about you, not the NRA!
  34. GodHeals
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    GodHeals - September 16, 2013 6:39 am
    Recommendation for the Media:

    Make a Freedom of Information Act request for all the letters and emails from verifiable Wisconsin Residents for any of the GOP Agenda. Then do the same for ALEC.

    Why Not ? WHY NOT?

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