Gov. Scott Walker used his election-year State of the State address Wednesday to rally support for his plans to use the majority of Wisconsin’s $912 million in unexpected revenue for tax cuts.

“What do you do with a surplus?” he said. “Give it back to the people who earned it. It’s your money.”

He said he would call a special session of the Legislature to consider his income and property tax cut package — part of a broader fiscal plan called “A Blueprint for Prosperity” — which would save average Wisconsin families about $150 this year.

Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, R-Rochester, said there is support among Assembly Republicans for Walker’s proposal and it will likely be the first bill his chamber takes up when it convenes Feb. 11. The package, however, faces some opposition from Republicans in the Senate.

“I don’t have 17 votes for anything right now,” said Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau.

Much of the tax cut plan was detailed by Walker to reporters Tuesday, but the speech was the first time Walker disclosed it directly to voters.

It was Walker’s fourth State of the State, and he delivered it less than 10 months before standing for re-election and as he considers a 2016 presidential bid.

Also Wednesday, the administration launched prosperity.wi.gov so people could use a “tax savings calculator” to check their own tax savings under the plan. The Legislative Fiscal Bureau has yet to analyze Walker’s proposal.

Democrats said Walker avoided talking about the state’s dismal record of job growth and criticized his proposal for adding more than $100 million to an existing $708 million structural deficit — the amount expenditures are expected to exceed revenues by mid-2017.

“He’s going to be kicking a bigger can down a longer road,” said Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, D-Kenosha. “That’s a self-inflicted wound we shouldn’t have to absorb.”

Walker also proposed adding more than $100 million to the state’s rainy day fund and increasing by $35 million a job training program known as Wisconsin Fast Forward.

The $35 million, which comes from economic development-related surplus funds, would be spent on several programs, including eliminating waiting lists at technical colleges in such high-demand fields as manufacturing, agriculture and information technology; helping high school students get training in high-demand jobs through dual-enrollment programs with high schools and technical colleges; and supporting programs helping people with disabilities to enter the workforce.

In his nearly hourlong speech, Walker touted improvements in the state’s finances and credited his fiscally conservative policies, including his controversial 2011 measure to all but end collective bargaining for public workers. The move — along with the ensuing massive protests — put Walker in the national spotlight and fueled speculation about a presidential run.

“The state of our state is strong and improving every day. The economy is dramatically better, and our finances are in great shape,” Walker said. “Thankfully, the days of double-digit tax increases, billion-dollar deficits, and major job loss are gone.”

Walker’s critics, including his likely Democratic opponent, Madison School Board member and former state Commerce secretary Mary Burke, have pointed to the state ranking 37th in the nation in private-sector job creation, according to the most recent federal data.

Burke said Wednesday she would use the surplus to reduce the state’s debt levels, which are budgeted to increase $1.2 billion since Walker took office, target property tax cuts to residential property owners rather than businesses and put more money toward worker training programs.

“I don’t know too many Wisconsin families who would rush out to spend money they may not even have on new things, particularly when they’ve already racked up a bunch of debt and have other bills coming due,” Burke said.

Walker said his “Blueprint for Prosperity” would trim property taxes by about $406 million and provide about $98.1 million in income tax relief. He also plans to adjust withholding tables so that Wisconsin workers will have more money in their pockets starting April 1 — $521 for the average taxpayer — though it would mean less of a tax refund in 2015.

The governor also encouraged employers to hire people with disabilities, promoted workforce development, and touted his approach to providing health care for the poor.

“We’re not making it harder to get government assistance,” Walker said. “We’re making it easier to get a job.”

He introduced numerous guests, including disabled workers, people who have found jobs since he took office, students, and workers who helped fix the Leo Frigo Bridge in Green Bay.

Earlier Wednesday, Fitzgerald and Sen. Alberta Darling, R-River Hills, said that Senate Republicans support the general idea of tax cuts.

“There’s definitely a willingness to return the money to the taxpayers,” Fitzgerald said.

Fitzgerald acknowledged that one side effect of Walker’s tax cut plan — increasing the structural deficit by about $100 million — is “definitely a concern” for some of his members.

Several Republicans in the Senate, including a group of moderate members, have been advocating first putting money toward ensuring the state’s long-term financial health and making sure the next state budget cycle doesn’t begin with a shortfall.

Sen. Luther Olsen, R-Ripon, said if the state relies on economic growth to cover the structural deficit, it won’t have money in the next budget to address looming problems, such as a shortfall in transportation funding, growing Medicaid costs and local governments that have had to live with less state funding in recent years.

“The Senate is very interested in the structural deficit getting smaller, not bigger,” Olsen said.

Senate President Mike Ellis, R-Neenah, said whatever the Legislature does should include a plan to eliminate the structural deficit in time for the next budget cycle. To do that, he suggested not cutting income taxes by $98.1 million annually as Walker proposed.

Walker’s tax cut proposal will likely face less criticism from Assembly Republicans.

Rep. Dale Kooyenga, R-Brookfield, said he’s not worried about the governor’s proposal adding about $100 million to the state’s projected $706 million structural deficit. He said continued economic growth will bring state finances into balance.

“I will promise you that at this point next year the structural deficit will be gone,” Kooyenga said.

The state is projecting a surplus of $976.6 million by mid-2015. That includes $912 million more in revenue than was anticipated when Walker signed the 2013-15 budget last summer.

Walker plans would cut taxes by $504 million and the overall package would cost the state $826.7 million and eat up the lion’s share of $912 million.

I cover state government for the Wisconsin State Journal.

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AdiosScott
AdiosScott

To Norwood and anyone trying to understand the bitterness between union workers and the extreme conservative UNION BASHERS, or those suspected of being one,


In addressing your reply to mine (farther below), I don't have any issues with anything in your reply. I don't swing much from center on most of what you feel. Seniority is one you mentioned. I have worked under both seniority and no seniority. I look at various angles of the issue.

From the union standpoint, seniority is a little insurance for the older worker who may be getting a little slower or weaker, and would have trouble getting hired somewhere else because of this fact, but still needing to work to eat. The downside could deter younger and new ideas from staying in and supporting that particular union.
From the employer standpoint, seniority is a little insurance that the old timers may return some of the loyalty and pass their knowledge onto the new hires, and actually I've seen where the old timers with first hand experience in the field, enlighten management to cost saving measures for raising their profits or make them more competitive in the market. One downside to this could be senior worker complacency, due to comfort and not particularly attributed to natural and acceptable aging.
Without dragging the seniority issue out, I feel no strong sway either way. Bargaining in "good faith" and standing behind what you say is key in either situation, and the responsibility of both the union and the employer.

Vacation is for a break from constant work or to relieve job burn out which benefits both the employee and employer. Its actual cost is deducted from your total package offer when determining your wages. It should remain with the employee if he doesn't want to use it at a particular time.

Sick leave is insurance against losing income due to getting sick. My view is the same as yours. Not to be banked. Here's why. Sick leave is calculated and deducted from the total package, same as vacation is, except it is insurance for lost income. I have used this hypothetical scenario with brother union members:
An employers' records show that the average historical lost time from sickness is 10 days per year per person. He has two options:
1). Offer 10 days and when used up, vacation is used, or take leave without pay.
2). Offer 12 days and when used up, vacation or leave without pay used.

In either scenario, the actual cost is the same, if the average of all of the actual sick time remains 10 days. Option 2, could be any number higher than 12, IF sick leave is not abused to the point that every employee takes the full 12 days, driving the average actual cost up. The less abuse, the higher the number of sick days that could be offered, while keeping the cost to the employer the same and offering more insurance to the unfortunate one who has an injury or sickness at home requiring more time off. Chances are, everyone will be that unfortunate one at some time. If the comfort level of total sick days (insurance) is reached and actual average cost falls, the difference can be negotiated in good faith to increase wages or cut operating costs proportionately. WIN WIN for whichever party proves their need for their portion of the savings.

And FNALLY, for anyone thats had the patience to read this far. To contradict your only statement, stating you ("don't think unions should be a political lobby that throws money at only one party in return for contracts that are unfair to taxpayers.").

Fact is. When I was in a previous union, that union along with many in all international unions lobbied for and supported the conservatives hero, Republican Ronald Reagan. Several unions in Wisconsin lobbied for and supported Walker. Unfortunately both Republicans, not only turned their back on labor, they tried to obliterate us. These are just two examples. There are more. Be assured, their actions have, and will continue to trickle down to ALL working people. We, the bleeding heart, lazy, thug, crybabies, in the eyes of the extreme conservatives, and our misinformed enemies, are just fighting as hard as we can to keep all working VOTERS from falling into the same trap we did, allowing the one sided corruption to continue beating ALL of us wage earners down. Good luck to us all.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Adios. Thanks for the response. If I were a union member, I would work to create a stronger linkage with non-union voters by telling the story of how public unions help average citizens; a message of service vs angry entitlement. Secondly, there are union cases that arise that baffle the 90% of the population that isn't in a public union. Best example currently is the Middleton teacher. And one other message that would make sense is some indication that public unions understand the plight of average workers and taxpayers. Workers who don't have the job security or benefits. A lot of union hardliners on this board argue that somehow public unions help private sector workers. For the life of me I don't see it in my work situation. Research on that assertion would be interesting. I think public unions would be shocked at the data.

truthzeeker
truthzeeker

Just read this. You couldn't have said it better then if I had said it myself!

gkmoynihan
gkmoynihan

Despite her Harvard MBA Burke clearly doesn’t understand the concept of the “median” but it’s okay, her audience doesn’t either.

http://www.wkow.com/story/24494219/2014/01/19/political-scientist-tax-cuts-likely-to-be-centerpiece-of-governors-state-of-the-state-speech

"If you look at, overall, all the money that state and local governments bring in from the people of Wisconsin, we're more in the middle," Burke told a gathering of Madison's East Side Progressives on Sunday night.

http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/wisconsin

In 2010 Wisconsin had the 5th highest tax burden.

But I doubt this will dissuade any of you suffering from Walker Derangement Syndrome from voting for trust fund Barbie.

graefental
graefental

"Trust fund Barbie" accurately describes Scott Walker, a man who has never held a real job in his life.

Including his current one. Traveling to NYC and dining on foie gras at taxpayer expense? That's a trust-fund-baby job.

gkmoynihan
gkmoynihan

Clearly I can add "trust fund" to the financial concepts Burke's brilliant base doesn't understand.

Wis_taxpayer
Wis_taxpayer

gk, I thought your party liked the rich? … oh that's right, only if their Republican!

I guess you'll be so sad to hear that the largest super pac ever is Democratic!

gk, Apparently you know more than Mary Burke does, maybe you can tell us all, what ivy league college did you graduate from?

Fact or Fiction
Fact or Fiction

Apparently no one in the Walker administration is capable of background checks - with one exception. If someone signed a recall petition then they are unfit to "Stand with Scott Walker" - otherwise, just about anyone is welcome, including twice-convicted sex offenders.

If Walker and his paranoid administration cared at all about anything other than the totally unacceptable near-criminal act of signing a recall petition, then they would have done their homework and banned this guy, Christopher Barber, from being on stage and on live TV with Walker:
Scott Walker upset sex offender allowed on stage with him
http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/scott-walker-upset-sex-offender-allowed-on-stage-with-him/article_4f74086a-8451-11e3-a0dc-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz2rGjVL1WE

And...
They would have discovered that the son of a wealthy donor was a drunk driver:
Scott Walker Gives Donor's Kid an $81K Job - BRIAN DESCHANE GETS JOB DESPITE LACK OF COLLEGE DEGREE, EXPERIENCE
"Don’t you hate those overpaid public employees? Why, just look at Brian Deschane. He’s racked up two drunk driving convictions, has little experience, and no college degree, yet Scott Walker’s administration is paying him $81,500 a year, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports.
http://www.newser.com/story/115595/scott-walker-gives-donor-jerry-deschanes-son-an-81000-a-year-job.html

And....
They would have discovered that a top campaign worker, the same one suggesting families donate to Walker "the gift that keeps on giving" rather than buy their children Christmas gifts, had made insulting comments about hispanics on twitter:
Scott Walker campaign aide fired after tweets demeaning Hispanics
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/headlines/scott-walker-campaign-aide-fired-after-tweets-demeaning-hispanics-b99155734z1-234291761.html#ixzz2rGiIBMQ7

Amazing isn't it? Especially since Scott Walker spent nearly $700,000 of donated money on a CRIMINAL DEFENSE FUND for himself. At least he was able to figure out he was under investigation - now if he can just get up the gumption to look into others he associates with so proudly.
Gov. Scott Walker's legal bill for John Doe probe: $650,000
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/headlines/gov-scott-walkers-legal-bill-for-john-doe-probe-650000-mb9bt6o-200689561.html#ixzz2rGlyRXKH

goldennugget
goldennugget

All you tolerant libs should be cheering the fact that an x-con was able to find work in the Walker recovery. It's proof of a booming economy.

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Fact or Fiction,
You have absolutely no logic within you.

freddiebell
freddiebell

I am no fan of Scott Walker. But I have no problem cutting him some slack on the issue of the criminal background of the guy on the stage. It's pretty safe to say that if he had known, the guy wouldn't have been within a mile of him for that speech. Should Team Walker have done a better job of vetting? Of course. But mistakes happen once in a while. Nobody gets it right all the time. I see it as an oversight, some sloppy ball but not a critical error. It is embarrassing, but not malfeasant.

My issue was, is, and always will be with the conscious decisions Scott Walker has made as governor and particularly how he has gone about them. In the present case specifically I agree with AllAmerican that the parade of people, the human props, was overkill to the point of embarrassment. I felt sorry for them, being used like that and so shamelessly. It was uncomfortable. It reminded me somewhat of animals in a cage at the zoo or on display at a pet show. It really didn't look as good as the Walker planners thought it would. (But, as long as we're on the topic ... what of the people who lost jobs when their company closed or moved? No sign of them. Are they lesser people to the governor?)

Norwood44
Norwood44

Freddie. I agree with you on the overdone citizen cameos. It's moronic and is done too much by all state of the whatevers. I also thank you for your sane perspective on the blunder by Walker. I thought it was comical. The photo could have been under an Onion headline. Your voice of reason is appreciated.

truthzeeker
truthzeeker

AllAmerican11B. So you don’t have a problem with Walker loading up the background with an apparent convicted felon. I don’t have a problem with him getting a job, but to parade him around like he was the 2nd coming of Christ is a real stretch. But then again, Walker seems to have a problem with vetting a number of people. It just shows he is not what a lot of people put him up to be. Sad!

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

truthzeeker,
Your false smear is sophomoric; of course I wouldn't have knowingly put a convicted felon back there as a human prop and I don't think Walker would either! Personally I think the human props went overboard. If I were Walker, I would fire the person responsible for vetting the human props.

retired
retired

So I assume you feel it's alright for Rep. Christine Sinicki's to be on the phone bitching, rather than behaving like an adult ?? She wanted to leave !! Seems to me, that would fall right in line with democrats , IF u know where I am coming from.
Iam sure the Gov. was red hot when he found out about the welder. I know u and I would be .Mistake's happen, I make some and I'll bet u do 2.

uspotme
uspotme

Walker- The gift that keeps giving. They won't let us comment on the article but Walker had a convicted felon standing next to him last night during his speech. He "thought" everybody had been checked. Not. This is the man who may potentially be the leader of the free world. If that doesn't scare you I don't know what does. Norwood- Stop it. I loathe Walker and I'm in the private sector. Never been in a union and never will be. Have voted for Republicans occasionally. After watching what the Republicans have done to this state in the last four years I will never vote for a Republican as long as I am breathing. Walker is no leader. My way or the highway types are not leaders. They do not unite people. They divide. In that regard he has been successful.

Nav
Nav

uspotme,

Our Republicans friends on here won't admit it, but there is a GROWING number of people who have decided that they will NEVER vote for the Republican party again. Surely you must know. They have seen its true colors, and they are horrified!

Norwood44
Norwood44

Nav. That is a very interesting statement. How fast is that number growing? Where was it at the beginning of Walker's administration and where is it now? What percentage of voters now say they are "horrified"? Do you have a link you can post? This is big news. Was it a Gallup Poll? Wow. You have so much interesting factual information. Just post the link OK?

Ego Vigilabo Vigilum
Ego Vigilabo Vigilum

Nav;

Since you brought up GROWING numbers of disillusioned people, don't tell me this is off topic.

How're President Obama's numbers lately? His popularity (lack thereof), fitness for the job, having the country heading in the right direction, perception of honesty, misery index, unemployment, underemployment, people that have simply given up looking for work, food stamp usage, dependency on government, etc., etc.

And that's just on the domestic front.

Well, at least the economy seems to be improving, right? Take away the ~ $80 + billion in monthly QE air money and you'll hear a giant sucking sound.

And it'll be coming from the Oval Office.

Are those the democrat true colors? People are feeling helpless & hopeless. They probably believe that feeling horrified is a luxury they can't afford; literally!

Nav
Nav

Ego,

After reading your post I re-read the article to see what the article was about. It is about Governor Walker's tax proposal. I know as I get older my eye sight is weakening but if you can kindly indicate where it discusses President Obama, I would be happy to address your comments.

Since you talked about an off article topic, I feel obligated to do same! Did you see the news about how Hillary for President movement is getting stronger by the day?

Is she expecting the Republicans to throw everything at her once she runs. Of course she is, and she will be ready!

I just cant wait to see her debate her opponent whoever he or she may be.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Ego. Surely you understand that Nav has a very special psychic connection with the minds of Wisconsin voters. She spends much of her waking hours in a trance-like state, silk bandana wrapped rakishly about her head in a darkened room off Ingersoll St, with only a sly, black cat for company. The room smells faintly of musk oil and shalimar. The voices of Wisconsin voters come to her at different times. One minute she will be in connection with a person in Palmyra, and another moment she will hear a voice from Owen Withee, and then suddenly a voice will speak from Lac du Flambeau or Fontana. She is a special person with a special talent. The only town she hasn't heard from since Walker was elected is Turtle Lake. Something about the topography of the area. But they are getting 4g this summer, so she expects to hear from them soon. She is also taking Denver and the over.

Ego Vigilabo Vigilum
Ego Vigilabo Vigilum

Nav (below);

"Since you talked about an off article topic..."

Please reread the first line of my post, which it appears may have escaped that weakening eyesight. The orbs glean plenty more when they don't list so gosh darn far aport.

I hope your hero, Big Eddy, doesn't have Hillary on his show any time soon. The ensuing knee-buckling swoon would require you surrender to Proglibocrat rapture and catapult you to parts unknown. Some of which Norwood44 has listed below.

I wouldn't limit yourself to those he suggests. You seem to be pro-choice, unless a person chooses from outside those pre-approved by Proglibocratic divinity.

Saxon, Cataract, Chili, Poy Sippi, Stueben, Moose Junction, Middle Inlet, Zachow, Dunbar, Pulcifer, & Cozy Corner would give you an opportunity to find that there is another WI outside of Dane County.

I'd stay out of the Tigerton Dells area were I you.

So, why won't Big Eddy invite Ann Coulter on his show? Is part of the democrat War on Women, or the very genuine fear that she's gut him like the gelded bore, I mean boar that he is.

For that I'd surely tune in!

Funny but after watching the antics and hypocricy of the left the last few years I likely will never vote for anyone who would bear the label of Democrat.

Maerzie
Maerzie

Obviously a person who only watches FAUX Fairy Tales. I hope she make the $250,000 EACH ($500,000 per couple) every year (parameters set BY the Teapublicans themselves) to qualify for ever getting anything back from voting Teapublican.

goldennugget
goldennugget

You and who else nav?

graefental
graefental

Me and almost every other former Republican I know.

The Tea Party is like crystal meth: It destroys, and you don't recover.

Do you think Scott Walker is in charge of security and personally checks who was standing there? Walker is the one who is MOST upset about this and he should be.
I love how everyone blames him for Everything.

S54k
S54k

Totallyoffthefarrightshoulder, tell us then, where does the buck stop? At least chris kristie accepts blame before he fires people. walker just plays dumb, which isn't much of a stretch for him. But he sure has played that card a lot during his lifetime job with the government. When are you people going to say "ENOUGH!!!"

Polkadot
Polkadot

I'm going to take my $157 in tax "savings" and go spend it in Minnesota because Minnesota is spending advertising dollars in Wisconsin showing me how cool it is to visit Minnesota. It is evident Walker doesn't want people visiting Wisconsin- that would require taking care of our natural resources with decades of science-based data.

graefental
graefental

These people who are inspired and/or paid by Walker to log on here and bash all unions and union members must be a pathetic lot.

Think about it:

Not smart enough to ace a civil service exam.

Not tough enough to work construction.

Not brave enough to be a cop or firefighter or paramedic.

Or just so besotted with their own success that they can't stand for other people to "have stuff" too.

Pretty sad.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Graef. Why is it that so many union people assume that anyone who disagrees with them is an awful human being? That strikes me as utterly childish. There are legit reasons to oppose bad union contracts. Even union people know parts of the model suck. Public unions are in disfavor all over the country. And that doesn't mean the 1%. Just average folks. But the reaction to adult debate is so often utterly adolescent it takes me aback. I am sure you are a fine person. We just disagree on unions. I don't think you are filth or vermin or anything else. It's just so odd to read people who think they occupy the moral high ground write such angry, mean-spirited words about people who just don't agree with them on a contemporary political issue. Especially when they are in the majority of workers and pay taxes to support those who turn and rip them. Such an odd, sad thing.

AdiosScott
AdiosScott

Norwood - Let's clarify something you posted that I agree with.


(There are legit reasons to oppose bad union contracts.)______You are coming around closer to the union view. Or at least appear to believe that way.

Notice, you said BAD UNION CONTRACTS. You would get no argument from any union on that statement. In fact we would go further and say there are legit reasons to oppose bad union members, or bad union business.

Where I have a big problem with your view is when you appear to be against the same things the unions are, yet you lump all unions into the same boat and then try to sink the boat. I don't mind at all, your leaning on the unions to clean the bad parts up. Whether you know it or not, we do it all the time. But any working individual, trying to kill unions in general, or publicly condemning them, is foolish......And anyone who doesn't believe that the common worker still needs some organized group to keep the highly organized, and very well funded, corporations in check is either naïve, innocently ignorant, or just plain stupid.

P.S…I do appreciate seeing something positive about unions coming from you. i.e.
“Even union people know PARTS of the model suck.”

Norwood44
Norwood44

Adios. Sure. I like the fact that unions work to provide benefits and pensions to public workers. I think all workers need a safe workplace and a fair definition of work required. But I also think it is currently too difficult and costly to dismiss bad workers, and I don't neccessarily think seniority is the best model for compensation increases. Those two issues contribute to a negative perception of the quality of public union workers,to their detriment. I think great public workers deserve great pay, but a masters degree is no guarantee of great work. I obviously think workers deserve vacation and sick days, but I don't think they should be allowed to bank unused sick and vacation for their entire career, and then get compensated with a large lump sum at career's end. The deal should mirror most private sector deals, use it annually or lose it, in that regard. Finally, I don't think unions should be a political lobby that throws money at only one party in return for contracts that are unfair to taxpayers. I would prefer overall campaign finance reform that bans both the unions and Koch Brothers etc. from buying pols and votes. And I would actually argue for fewer, more highly paid state workers, but admit it is a difficult task to create such a model. I'm sure you have issues with some of my points Adios, and I'm grateful that you didn't just blast me as a Tea Party Republican like other union posters here. I vote Dem far more often than Rep. I think that a thinking person can have problems with some public union contracts and also want Wall Street/CEO reform and higher taxes for the 1%. They are not mutually exclusive positions. Finally, despite what Fiction and Nav say on these boards, I have never once said "do away with unions". But I do think some elements of the contracts work against average citizens. Thanks for the exchange Adios.

graefental
graefental

Norwood--it's really quite simple.

If you were a blue-collar college-educated working stiff like me, who would you want in your corner? Your union? Or Walker/Koch Bros? Who wants to see the best outcome for you and your family?

Norwood44
Norwood44

Graef. I grew up from humble means as well. I prefer no one in my corner but myself. For me, unions or Koch is not an either or choice. That being said, I think that unions are a great help to many. It's bad contracts with which I have a problem.

graefental
graefental

And let me add another thing. Scott Walker keeps referring to people like me as "thugs." I'm a school bus driver and have never had a criminal conviction in my life-- unlike, say, half of Walker's administration or the people he likes to surround himself with.

So who is the "thug" here???

Nav
Nav

It will be interesting to see the wishy washy answer Norwood44 gives you to your question. I have asked him similar questions in the past and his answers make NO sense.

When you have on this board a man who is SO anti worker, so anti union, so worshipping of a Governor who has divided the state, as Norwood44 is, you have to simply ignore what he has to say because it is all propaganda.

There may be some on here who are fooled by Norwood's frequent "attempts" to write something that could be viewed as him being more objective, he seems to have perfected this art. But for those of us who have read his posts over the last couple of years are able to see right through his propaganda.

Norwood 44's anti-worker, anti union tirade has annoyed a lot of people on these boards, and he has been called on it many times, but it is impossible for him to refrain from talking about unions in a negative way.

I have now concluded that his Unionitis condition is not curable at all, and it may get worse after the good people of WI elect a new Governor in November of this year.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Nav. Your views and false generalizations are why sane, practical people have a problem with union protectionism. You are the perfect poster child for those who oppose you.

WTH is wrong with you? Apparently we are also do not belong to the party of tolerance and inclusion???

1blueheron
1blueheron

Watch me pull a $900 million dollar surplus out of the hats of teachers, state workers and school budgets....pay no attention to the man behind the curtain giving your state's resources away....to my wealthy out of state donors, owners and underwriters....

This money is excess revenue. It has nothing to do with the amount Budgeted for any of the things you mentioned, or any donors.

kathy6829
kathy6829

So no one in the Gov's office has access to CCAP? Or are they not qualified to use it? this man just keeps stepping in it with everything he does.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/welder-on-stage-at-state-of-state-with-scott-walker/article_4f74086a-8451-11e3-a0dc-0019bb2963f4.html

PatrickL
PatrickL

Mr. walks is totally out of touch with what is needed to train a qualified work force. He along with this Republican controlled legislature are themselves to blame. By initially cutting millions from one of the best Technical College systems in the country, they sent job training on a downward spiral that will takes years to recover. By cutting funds to K-12 education they also have hurt job awareness and training. Most high schools in Wisconsin had to cut Career and Technical Education programs. These are the classes where students are exposed to job skills. It's awfully hard to convince a student to be a welder when they have no idea what a welder does or the skills required. Most schools have cut out field trips, because of budget constraints, so students don't even have that opportunity. The Governor can tout Dual- Credit with the technical colleges, But again he didn't do his home work. Dual credit is only offered when skills taught in a class at the high school meet the same
competencies as the corresponding class at the tech college. Unfortunately most of the upper level courses in Technology & Engineering Education that would provide dual-credit opportunities,
at high schools all over Wisconsin, have been cut or downgraded. So basically his speech contained very little as to new job training initiatives. We are left with a lot less than we had before he become Governor.

Norwood44
Norwood44

These threads are evidence that no matter what Walker does, he is loathed by nearly all public workers. Their venom is powerful. It doesn't allow for much objective discussion. If he had not passed ACT 10 the conversations would be less polarized. But the special interest union activists will use every tool in their kit to make Walker radioactive on every issue, regardless of the facts or the objective results of a specific stance, or benefit to citizens outside the union universe. To them, he can do no good, ever. Walker could cure cancer and union hardliners would rip him for it. They are organized, and plentiful and know government and media. But it's a tiressome, neverending echo. For many of the rest of is, we pray and hope it ends some day. That alone is reason to consider Mary Burke.

kathy6829
kathy6829

He is toxic - no matter what he does. He won't cure cancer. He just isn't that smart nor are his droolers.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Kathy. Why do you have to call people "droolers" who disagree with you? Pretty childish. Why not make an intelligent point? Unless you are actually a child... and then it's understandable.

tomtom33
tomtom33

And they accuse Walker of polarizing the State.

Nav
Nav

Yes, and that is where the blame lies tomtom33.

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Spoken like a true blind partisan.

Nav
Nav

No Norwood. It is not the public workers but the PUBLIC who is getting tired of the Governor playing games with it. Please do not keep bringing the unions into every article that might have many Anti-Governor comments.

Your vague and undefined "leaning" towards Ms. Burke not withstanding, those of us who have read your posts the last couple of years know that you are one of the Governor's ardent supporters on here.

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Nav
Nav

It seems to me that Norwood44 must have woken up with another night mare about the unions coming back to power, and demanding a BIG wage for the workers where he works. When he has to take the side between management and workers, we can ALWAYS predict he will take side of management, and NEVER the side of workers, although his public disdain is for the “public” employees only.

People like Norwood44 have helped Governor Walker keep our state divided and polarized. Their constant battle to continue to draw a wedge between the public and the employees who SERVE the public are not gaining any more traction. In fact, a reverse shirt is starting to take place.

Workers, private as well as public, are starting to realize that unless they band together and fight back against anti-worker laws passed by this Republican legislature and the Governor, they will soon be either out of a job or working like slaves for minimum wage.

I can only hope that workers are realizing how it would be in their BEST interest to start forming unions to get some protection from employers who are bound to take undue advantage of them.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Nav. The Marquette Poll shows that Walker's numbers are essentially unchanged and that he still retains a slight lead. Do you a new poll? Could you post that link?

Nav
Nav

Marquette polls will become more credible as we get closer to the election.

How true and how sad. With every single hateful post I am more and more sure that ACT 10 was needed and Glad that it passed. It just shows the level of entitlement and displays disdain they have for Everyone else in the state.

adamman
adamman

Welder Chris looks like he's first in line for a gubernatorial pardon.
Let's watch how Walker's office does damage control on this one.

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

More useless nonsense about one of the photos?
Pitiful, just plain pitiful.

damage control over what?

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

To all those making the baseless suggestion that Walker is riding Obama's economic recovery I have this:

From Bloomberg.com "For many families, the recovery doesn’t feel much different than the recession. Real median household income of $51,000 is 8 percent lower than in 2007. Almost 4 million people have been out of work for more than six months, three times the pre-recession average. One-third of black men aren’t even in the labor force, the highest mark since records began in 1972. And there are fewer people with jobs in the U.S. today than six years ago."

AdiosScott
AdiosScott

Well that should just make them old ____ REAL CONSERVATIVE Republicans happy being able to link Obama to some of those historical records. Why it probably even lifts the hearts of some of those young Dufus Governors.

Wis_taxpayer
Wis_taxpayer

Hey Joe, finally nice to see that your giving Obama the credit he deserves… many Republicans are riding his coat tails and claiming success for themselves.

Under President Obama's leadership, the economy has added private sector jobs for 46 straight months. During this span, 8.2 million private sector jobs have been created.

See more at: http://www.dpcc.senate.gov/?p=blog&id=172#sthash.jWd418yZ.dpuf

Bush's total job growth during his eight years was just 1.1 million jobs

Now Trader, please tell us all again just how terrible Obama's job growth has been….Smoke, mirrors, and outright lies is all your party has left…. pathetic.

And isn't this article about Walker? Wisconsin number 11 in the nation when Walker took office….. now? 37th…. yeah it's working alright.

Retoother
Retoother

Do you think the 82 billion being pumped into the economy each month helps 0bamas numbers? You know just printing money and throwing in there? When that gutter gets closed off how do you think the economy will handle that?

goldennugget
goldennugget

It's $85B and it's goes to 0bama's biggest contributors, the banksters of Wall Street.

pikerover
pikerover

Yet, Corporations are touting record profits and paying less % tax. Why do you think that is Joe?

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

To all those making the baseless suggestion that Walker is riding Obama's economic recovery I have this: From Bloomberg.com "For many families, the recovery doesn’t feel much different than the recession. Real median household income of $51,000 is 8 percent lower than in 2007. Almost 4 million people have been out of work for more than six months, three times the pre-recession average. One-third of black men aren’t even in the labor force, the highest mark since records began in 1972. And there are fewer people with jobs in the U.S. today than six years ago."

Delilah_Jones
Delilah_Jones

i didn't watch it, did he mention how we're going to pay for road maintenance going forward?

sounds like we can give State Employees an average wage increase now.

AdiosScott
AdiosScott

Don't need no roads if'n ya'll goin' backwards!

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

To all of you that are making nonsense sophomoric comments related to the photos for this article; are you really that immature that you have to post such petty nonsense?

LuAnne F
LuAnne F

Has the Governor tried to drive on Kenosha's roads lately? Such a trip would show where the State's surplus should go.

Retoother
Retoother

You can blame Doyle for that one, he is the one that took 1.3 billion out of the road budget.

Exactly. Walker has been forced to spend several Billion extra to plug the gaping holes Doyle left in on several budget items.

witness2012
witness2012

I watched the speech- it seemed like it was one glitzy cliche after another- "a better bottom line", "Fast-forward Wisconsin", and his "blueprint for prosperity".

And, he must have set a record for how many people he paraded out as props for his sales pitch. But, it was all fluff and no substance. The numbers don't add up and simply telling people how great they are doing without anything to back it up isn't enough.

It was also interesting what he didn't mention. No discussion of WEDC, no discussion of the significant number of bills on women's reproductive rights, no mention of the casino, and no mention of the tribes or the proposed mine in the Penokees.

If mary Burke was paying attention- and I assume she was- all she has to do is provide substance, a coherent plan which is not internally contradictory and has some basis in reality to be the more competent governor.

God knows we need it.

S54k
S54k

Thanks for the recap witness. I didn't watch it but have read the articles about it. I'm assuming there wasn't any mention of redistricting reform, as strongly suggested by every major newspaper's editorials in the state. Did he bring this up or just blow it off like every other inconvenient truth he so cleverly avoided?

freddiebell
freddiebell

S54k: He avoided it completely. Public and editorial appeals were and are lost upon him on this issue, among others.

Clearly the Republican majority is hell bent upon keeping its advantage as long as it can, by hook or by crook. The Democrats had their chance to do the right thing and failed to take the initiative. The Republicans evidently believe that two wrongs make a right. None of them give a damn as long as they get what they want for themselves. They think you are lucky to have them, as opposed to the other way around. Remember that in November when they come hat in hand asking for your vote to continue the trend.

witness2012
witness2012

Also no mention of AJR50, the advisory referendum to amend the constitution to overturn Citizens United or any other clean government initiative.

The unwillingness to mention redistricting was glaring. Thanks for bringing it up. (I wish Walker would).

AdiosScott
AdiosScott

Could it be that he lied when he preached, "Wisconsin is broke", and we had to slaughter the middle class worker?

mzd
mzd

Well, we are certainly broke now!

broke? funny we have a $912M projected surplus. and a Tax break coming. Doesn't sound broke to me.

Slaughter the middle class worker??? Another perfect example of how the left believe THEY are the only people alive and who matter. Could you possibly be more self absorbed?? The vast majority of us on this board and in the state are either middle or lower class. Who the heck do you think pays most of the taxes...the middle class, and That is exactly who Scott Walker has helped. I realize that in your eyes only the union workers are middle class and the rest of us much somehow qualify as the evil rich but you are flat out wrong. Among the middle class only 125 of you are union. The rest of us horrible bastards (88%) of us are non-union private sector workers . Get over yourself.

freddiebell
freddiebell

Agreed that "slaughter" is not the right word here. It has connotations that do not apply well here. But in principle AdiosScott has a point. Both the public and private sector middle classes have suffered -- public at the hands of artificial legislative initiative, private by not sharing in the gains that upper management/upper class have not passed on/trickled down to you. Each side has more in common than it cares to admit. We aren't each other's enemy. That "divide and conquer" thing really works ... if people allow it. There are more of us than there are of them. We should have the advantage. If we don't, it's on us.

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

I look at that picture of those 4 smug middle-aged white guys, and I think I've figured out the problem. It's those colored nooses they all wear. It's cutting off the blood supply to their brains.

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Nothing about the content, just something "humorous" about the photo?
Really Richard, really?

kooler
kooler

that picture looks like larry, curly and shemp saluting moe just b4 he slaps them silly. what a bunch of morons.

kooler
kooler

i meant what a bunch of stooges.

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AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Comment containing nothing but useless drivel and partisan political attacks.

Harvey
Harvey

Anybody know how big the tax break will be for Walker's rich friends? Think they will be satisfied with $58?

Harvey
Harvey

Walker's plan adds $100 million to the long term debt. I can make my finances look great if I take out a huge second mortgage. I would prefer a portion of the surplus be put in a rainy day fund, a portion used to pay down the debt and a portion used to repair the infrastructure in this state - especially the roads. Otherwise my tax break will go to wheel alignment, tires and suspension repairs.

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Harvey,
" I would prefer a portion of the surplus be put in a rainy day fund, a portion used to pay down the debt and a portion used to repair the infrastructure in this state - especially the roads."

I agree.

Retoother
Retoother

So 10% of your mortgage is a huge? What kind of house or mortgage do you have?

w8rh3wk5
w8rh3wk5

That didnt take long to prove my point. Name calling, badgering, hounding, factless bickering is exactly whats wrong with politics. People cant have an intelligent, complete factual, emotionally conversion/debate about the all the facts. People just take bits and pieces of situations and spin it to validate their opinions. That doesnt accomplish anything. Look at ALL the facts. You will see Walker has done a good job getting Wisconsins financial house in better shape. Has there been some things that could have been different??? Of course but he is thw governor and he is allowed to do things his way. He has a plan and he is trying it out. Economy has improved both statwide and nationally. Its tough to quantify what impact Walker has has on it, and for that manner Obama. But the results are the results. Improving economy is a fact

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AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

College Didn't Take,
You're delirious."

No one says you have to "like" what w8rh3wk5 wrote but a personal insult, really?

College Didn't Take
College Didn't Take

We have so many good neighbors on this site NOT wondering and in vocal opposition to the FACT that public employees in the state have taken an average 12% salary cut without a clear need for it. Obviously if there is a "surplus" that can be now given back to the people who contributed to it, there really wasn't a shortfall in the first place. Or was there? If this is borrowed money, then why give it away? If it isn't borrowed, then it's truly a surplus and Wisconsin wasn't as broke as we were led to believe, was it? You really can't have it both ways, can you? Ignore the obvious, you neighbors can smugly turn your backs on the teachers and other state and municipal workers who took a huge hit in their take home pay during a recession when you weren't asked to do the same. In fact, business owners have never had it so good.

graefental
graefental

CDT, I think it's more of a "I hate my private-sector job--ha ha, now your job sucks too!" thing.

Norwood44
Norwood44

I like my job. And I would like government to work smarter and more cost effectively.

I love my job. It's about fairness. I love my job but my company...just like most endured hard times in 2006 - 2011. Most of us took pay hits or had to contribute more to our HC or didn't have as much matched to our 401k etc, etc. So why are the Public employees STILL screaming about having the same thing happen to them??? Why do you believe you should be immune to this? This board is Filled with 87 comments of Hate and whining about EVERY single story. for 3 years. It's sad and pathetic but it sure speaks Volumes about the public employee entitlement attitude.

freddiebell
freddiebell

middle: Was there an Act 10 that specifically created and wrote into law the changes you experienced in the private sector ... and made them permanent? That's what happened to us. So, yeah, we're upset about it. It's a glass ceiling on our earning potential, ability to provide for our families, and ability to save for an uncertain future -- no matter how good we are or how good the work we do -- that does not exist for you. When times get better, which ultimately they will, you will have an opportunity to recoup your losses and move forward. We will not. So, yeah, we're upset about that too. It's not about getting rich. It's about fundamental fairness.

Any more questions I can answer for you on that?

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

I usual, I didn't watch the speech live; I watched a video and followed along with the actual transcript. Ignoring whether you like or dislike the speech content, it was a reasonably well written speech; did Walker get a new speech writer?

As for the content of the speech; I'd like to personally see all the actual data laid out on a table that Walker used to build this speech. Embellishment without actually lying has become a political art for all politicians and I think between Walker and his speech writer they did a pretty normal partisan job of accomplishing that; although I'm absolutely sure there will be plenty of people that will claim he lied based on information that may contradict some of the information he chose to build the speech. I didn't read anything in the speech that I would currently consider an actual lie; but, I believe there are a few very gray lines in there.

Nav should personally recognize the style of writing in the speech; it was squashed absolutely full of propaganda. It was clearly a combination of a State of the State speech and his first campaign speech for the next gubernatorial election. I know that politicians always put a favorable light on their accomplishments, but I think Walker went a bit far with his hour long speech complete with human props.

Nav
Nav

AllAmeruican11B

Thanks for recognizing me as someone who can see through the propaganda of the Republicans and many bloggers on here. Actually, it is not that hard. All one has to do is read the posts of some of the bloggers on here to quickly notice their standard talking points.

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Look in the mirror there big guy.

Nav
Nav

I DID look at a mirror. In it, I saw images of Tomtom33 and Norwood44 looking at mirrors in turn,and two seconds later, the mirrors they were looking at cracked and broke!

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Nav (below),
Maybe you should have edited that before you posted it, that was utter nonsense!

Yes, You Sure can.......whining, self-centered, entitled attitudes seem to be the standard talking points on the left.

Badger Joe
Badger Joe

If Walker really wants to find a productive use for his "estimated" $912 mil. "surplus," he should apply it towards the $1.6 billion he stole from WI public school children during 2011-2013. to balance his last budget. If he wants to aid employers and create jobs (remember the 250,000 he promised?), he should use the surplus to restore the 22.7% cut in vocational college funding and the 18.5% cut in State aids to the UW system that he also commandeered. A lot of our most talented youth have left the State for Minnesota, Illinois and even Michigan since this regime took over. Let's make 2014 Scott Free!

WeNeedaDream
WeNeedaDream

I feel very sad about the state of our state...
where I see more judging, attacking, blaming, and grabbing
than hearing, healing, honoring, and helping.
I wish that We The People of 'America's Laboratory of Democracy' would explore new and higher ways of being, becoming, relating, resolving, loving, and living...
e.g. cnvc.org, evolve.org, theshiftnetwork.com, weneedadream.org, rebirththeearth.org

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AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Insulting Walker's smile is the first comment in this thread?? Sophomoric nonsense!

I know this is a stretch considering the source; but, adamman do you have anything intelligent to say about the article or the speech?

Wis_taxpayer
Wis_taxpayer

Journal/Sentinel poll this morning on Walker's speech… 42% excellent 47% poor.

What we didn't hear from Walker is just as important as what we did hear… he didn't tell us that Wisconsin is 37th in job creation, 45th in job growth, 48th in new business start-ups.

Actions speak louder than words… and Wisconsin has seen the results of three years of Walker actions and what it's doing to our once great State.

Before Walker took office Wisconsin was 11th in the nation in job creation… today 37th! yeah, it's working alright.

November 4th Wisconsin can hold Walker accountable for his poor performance, just like he told us to do when he was campaigning.

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

@wiz_tacks again I need to address your mis information. From JSonline; "December 2010 and December 2011, Wisconsin had a net gain of 19,551 jobs in the public and private sector combined. That's an increase of about seven-tenths of one percent, ranking Wisconsin 41st in percentage job growth " Walker took office January 2011. Jobs growth at the time he took office ranking 40-41st in nation. November 4ths victory will be almost as sweet as the June 5th recall win, Bring on Little Mary Burkenstock !!

Wis_taxpayer
Wis_taxpayer

Smoke and mirrors trader…. public sector jobs are never included is job creation measurement by any President or Governor…. private sector, non farm jobs is the measurement….but nice try though.

Keep cherry picking those numbers, just like your mentor Walker.

mzd
mzd

There is no "Surplus". Even Vos seems to recognize that suggesting a more cautious approach. The supposed "Surplus" is actually entirely borrowed dollars. Walker is on track to have increased state debt by some $4,000,000,000 during his term.

Here's an extract from a comment by NMC1 from a post a few days ago...

"$976.6 million is the projected unencumbered balance of the General Fund at the end of June 2015 (http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/publications/Revenue-Estimates/Documents/2014_01_16_Revenue%20estimates.pdf). Balances are not surpluses. The (cash) surplus is the difference between the starting balance and the closing balance, which is projected to be $282.4 million. Even presuming that the revenue holds up in future, the other $694.2 million can be spent or used to fund a tax cut-induced shortfall only once.

I say (cash) surplus there because this includes the proceeds from net new borrowing. The 2013-15 budget authorizes $1.74 billion in new general obligation debt (itemized in the budget from https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2013/related/acts/20/478) as well as several billion dollars' worth of authority to roll over bonds, while only $1.00 billion of principal is due to be refunded during the biennium (table III-9 of http://www.doa.state.wi.us/capitalfinance/pdf_files/13dis3.pdf).

So even with a huge $911 million windfall of previously-unexpected revenue being projected, it's still not going to be enough to prevent Governor Walker from spending hundreds of millions of dollars more than state government is taking in. Yet now he's proposing huge tax cuts."

Cheezer
Cheezer

Wisconsin improved under Walker. Thank you Scott Walker for your hard work for the working people of Wisconsin!

davea
davea

Where?

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Cheezer,
"Wisconsin improved under Walker."

That may be true; however, Walker can only get full credit for improvements in Wisconsin's economy if Obama gets full credit for the improvements in the United States economy.

What improvements under Obama? Average take home pay has dropped about $4k under Obama. The workforce participation rate is at an all time low. People Stopped looking for jobs they cannot find.

Frank Stoner
Frank Stoner

Wisconsin has improved DESPITE Walker, not because of him. Wisconsin's improvements are due only to improvement in the national economy, and that's a nonpartisan FACT.

goldennugget
goldennugget

You meant to say Wisc has improved in spite of the 0bama depression. The National Economy has not improved at all since 0bama's reign started.

freddiebell
freddiebell

goldennugget: Not at all? Care to cite some evidence to back that up? You must have missed the recent article in these pages that a number of states have the pleasant problem of unexpectedly large surpluses at this time and what to do with them. Or did Scott Walker's habit of going around the nation giving speeches for personal and party gain somehow inspire people in all of these other states out of their doldrums and back into the spending mode?

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

goldennugget - 1 hour ago
"The National Economy has not improved at all since 0bama's reign started."

Hogwash!!!!!!!!

Traderjoe
Traderjoe

Post some facts to support the robust Obamaconomy

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Traderjoe,
"Post some facts to support the robust Obamaconomy"

FACT: I did not make any claim that there is a "robust Obamaconomy".

Go try your useless nonsense on someone else.

davea
davea

FACT - FACT - FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Frank Stoner,
"Wisconsin has improved DESPITE Walker, not because of him. Wisconsin's improvements are due only to improvement in the national economy, and that's a nonpartisan FACT."

So if that partisan garbage you wrote is true, then this partisan garbage is also true...

The United States has improved DESPITE Obama, not because of him. The United States' improvements are due only to improvement in the economy of the states, and that's a nonpartisan FACT.

There how do you like it when your partisan garbage is turned around on you?

You are partially right. The excess revenue is not due to Walker. But that state budget and the Fact that this Money is Excess to what our budget requires IS to Walker's credit

w8rh3wk5
w8rh3wk5

It would be nice if we could actually have an intelligent nonbias discussion about politics. Extreme views on both sides are whats wrong with this government/society.

Walker has done a good job, not a great job. There has been some errors and things that seem alittle outlandish. If anyone says anything otherwise I can guarantee you they are complete bias towards one party affiliation. And are unable or unwilling to discuss opposing views

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

Ah, but a "good job" of what?

College Didn't Take
College Didn't Take

Who says I don't have unlimited campaign funds? I just used this surplus for my next campaign.

Oh and BTW - Wisconsin wasn't broke, was it?

If not for ACT 10 we would be $3B further in the Hole since 2010. so no we are not broke Now but we would have been,

Nav
Nav

Isn't it VERY interesting that after talking about giving unfunded tax cuts, Republicans Governors all of a sudden stop talking ab0out the "takers?"

The Republican party has no core principles. They do WHATEVER they have to do, say WHATEVER they have to say in order to win elections.

Unfortunately for them, people are increasingly not listening or trusting them. That means they are increasingly returning to the Democratic party which actually identified with the middle, working and poor classes.

Have you ever heard a Republican talk aboutdoi9ng something good for the poor or middle class??


Hogzilla
Hogzilla

Amazing.

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Nav,
"The Republican party has no core principles. They do WHATEVER they have to do, say WHATEVER they have to say in order to win elections."

So when the Democratic Party does "WHATEVER they have to do, say WHATEVER they have to say in order to win elections" or pass bills, do they lack core principles too?

Nav
Nav

Sorry AllAmerican11B,

My posts are normally based on whatever the topic of the article is. THIS article was about the Governor's speech last night.

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Hypocrite.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Nav. The use of the word "normal" associated with your posts is pure fiction.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Nav. Most people stop talking in absolutes after fifth or sixth grade. "Amy does WHATEVER she wants at parties, no matter WHATEVER anyone ever thinks. LOL."

Nav - this Entire tax cut is good for the poor and the middle class. Despite your constant BS Most of us fall into these 2 classes. Just how many Rich people do you think exist?

toby
toby

It's just amazing. When he was asked in front of the congressional committee if Act 10 had anything to do with balancing the budget... he said NO.. IT's about breaking the largest contributor to the Democratic party...& he did it!!!!!! He's still BS'n you though. This guy is so screwed up when he dies they are going to have to cork screw him in to the ground .

davea
davea

The only thing he's good at is looking you straight in the eye, and lying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

goldennugget
goldennugget

LOL, just like 0bama and the Dems

tomtom33
tomtom33

That is not what he was asked.

SamIam
SamIam

“I will you promise that at this point next year the structural deficit will be gone,” Kooyenga said.


There you have it - a promise by a politician.

powmda
powmda

Yeah, just like "Health Care" Obama, eh??

freddiebell
freddiebell

And the New Jersey bridge lane closures supposedly weren't political payback right? See, we all can go off-topic. Try sticking to Walker and Wisconsin, aka the focus of the news story.

davea
davea

Typical powmda response. Can't defend Walker, so change the subject. "Obama did it"!

YetAnotherStateEmployee
YetAnotherStateEmployee

It seemed more like a campaign speech than a state of the State speech.

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

I think the last previous authentic "state of" speech was given by George Washington.

Kneebone
Kneebone

“What do you do with a surplus?” he said. “Give it back to the people who earned it. It’s your money.”

Thank you Scott Walker!! This is what Wisconsin is made of - real, honest, hard-working citizen who wants an honest, hard-working, for-the-people leader. People complained about Act 10, but that single-handedly gave the state a budget surplus and took money away from the gravy-train union thugs. Upset about the manufacturing tax credit that essentially eliminates corporate taxes for manufacturers and agricultural businesses? Look around. Other states are enacting similar legislation. We needed to pass that to keep businesses here. It's better we give it to businesses who can re-invest in their companies than the union thugs who are going to argue for 5% raises for all state employees, even the ones who work 20 hours a week and get paid for 40 hours. Scotty's got it figured out. Some business-friendly legislation, and some middle-class-friendly legislation (lowering property taxes and income taxes). The middle class buying power helps fuel the economy, so with the combination of more money for the middle class and business-friendly legislation, it seems like a win-win. Union thugs, 0, Scott Walker, 1, citizens of Wisconsin, 1,000,000!

snootyelites
snootyelites

Amen Bro!

retired
retired

DITTO.

freddiebell
freddiebell

I stopped reading the moment I saw that tired old "union thug" rhetoric show up. That ranks up there with "Commie pinko" in the pantheon of silliness. Probably I'm not alone here in turning off of the propaganda speech the moment people see it and search instead for an actual discussion of merit. It's pretty maudlin stuff -- hype over substance. Unless you are a paid poster or a common troll, it's hard to see a rationale for such embarrassing fealty and hyperbole.

State employees working 20 hours a week and getting paid for 40? Prove it. I see very much the opposite, every day: lots of good people working above and beyond their pay grade in service to others -- including people like you. Obviously you aren't interested in a factual discussion so much as trying to poison the waters and create enmity. We've had enough of that in this state over the last three years. Most people are looking to get along, meet in the middle, and find common ground. Move on already.

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

In fairness, it must be granted that some unions did have thugs, so it's not a completely alien concept. The brainless slur that always corks me off is "union bosses". No unions ever had bosses. Bosses were the guys unions protected you from.

But you're right — anyone eager to use either phrase has, up front, revealed themselves to have nothing of import or intelligence to impart.

sarge
sarge

For every bonified union thug there have been 20 Pinkerton thugs And/ or FBI thugs

Norwood44
Norwood44

Richard. Bosses is more of a political term...as in Boss Tweed. In that sense is appropriate for the power and big money players of both parties.

actually since some public unions allow you to trade in banked sick days or flex time, I do know of people who worked 32 hrs and were paid 40 many times. And many of the antics we've seen recently have included Thug like behavior and intimidation.

freddiebell
freddiebell

@ middle, below: You may well be right that some workers use sick days or flex time to up their pay relative to hours worked. But as far as I know it is their right to do so, based upon legally binding agreements, and there is nothing wrong with that by the books and the law. On the other hand, Kneebone clearly infers that state employees are simply ripping their employers off. That is factually inaccurate about the vast, vast majority of us -- just as most people in the private sector are good, honest workers and should not be judged by a very small number of abusers. We all know that. Unfortunately there are a handful of yahoos like Kneebend that give everybody else a bad name with their nonsense.

I wonder openly how many people here actually know what a thug is. So many use the word. So few probably know exactly what it involves, much less have any real word experience with one to speak of. We would all do better to limit our discussion to facts and ideas, and take the name calling out of it. It just makes it harder for all of us to get along and find workable solutions -- which surely is (or should be) our bigger picture goal in the first place.

I agree.

Lexus Peterson
Lexus Peterson

What surplus? We are in debt. If we have extra money come in we use it to fund all the borrowing we did when we didn't think we had it. This should be a no brainer. For once I wish a politician would pretend to not be a politician and care for my money like I would care for my money.

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

Speaking of which, did you see the hilarious bit Jon Stewart did on The Daily Show, running clips of former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell talking about how he intended to run his state the way you'd run a family — by living within its means, frugally and responsibly — and interspersing them with recent reports about how McDonnell and his wife were maxing out their credit cards, hitting up big donors for personal favors like free rides in corporate jets, and generally operating their family finances the same way Scott Walker is proposing to run Wisconsin's?

If not, it's the 2nd half of this 5-minute clip: http://on.cc.com/1fea4eP

goldennugget
goldennugget

Looks like Virginia's version of the Clintons.

sarge
sarge

Baseless but nice try

AllAmerican11B
AllAmerican11B

Can't wait to read the comments in this thread tomorrow morning. This should be "entertaining".

Nav
Nav

You mean educational? I wish all of Wisconsin came on here and listened to what the majority of the posters have to say. I wish they also took the polls on here!

goldennugget
goldennugget

No, AA is right. You're entertaining and a member of a small minority of like thinking political idealogues.

scorp
scorp

Surplus instead of deficits, lowering taxes instead of raising them,and union thugs and dems running for cover ; can't get mush better than that ! Go Walker!

everclear
everclear

Union thugs are also known as police officers and firemen and emergency responders, You might want to review your posts before going stupid.

freddiebell
freddiebell

everclear: As with Kneebone above, they are more interested in trying to score points with rhetoric than have a factual discussion and find common ground. It is cheerleading as opposed to substance. Thankfully, most people are sick of their divisive rhetoric and want to get back to working together to solve problems and getting along with each other. They have had enough of the divisiveness. If scorp and his ilk want to keep rolling in the mud instead and embarrass themselves, let them do so. Their approach is decidedly a minority one at this point.

Harvey
Harvey

Walker's plan ADDS $100 million to the long term debt. Go Walker!!!!

SamIam
SamIam

Sen. Luther Olsen, R-Ripon, said if the state relies on economic growth to cover the structural deficit, it won’t have money in the next budget to address looming problems, such as a shortfall in transportation funding, growing Medicaid costs and local governments that have had to live with less state funding in recent years.

"The Senate is very interested in the structural deficit getting smaller, not bigger," Olsen said.

Right on Luther. He must remember the last time the state pulled this trick - it didn't end well.

Also, return some revenue sharing money to poor towns facing huge problems just keeping roads from going gravel, like some third world country.

freddiebell
freddiebell

As expected, and despite an increasing call for it by newspapers and citizens statewide, there was no mention of holding hearings on nonpartisan redistricting, much less implementing an Iowa model or other fair and balanced plan to ensure that we the voters get to choose our politicians, rather than them choosing us.

That is a tremendous lost opportunity. Why the unwillingness to be a leader on this issue, Governor Walker? Where is the respect for the will of the people? Why not hold this matter up to public scrutiny and allow citizen/taxpayer input into the process? Why is the Republican Party hiding from this? It was wrong when the Democrats did not take up this issue. You now have the chance to do the right thing. Let's go.

Norwood44
Norwood44

Watched a little. He recognized Dem Peter Barca which was nice, and shows improved speechifying...but there were the usual predictable citizen cameos during the speech. If you are not a union person but did not vote for him...he probably improved his scores. If you are a union person, you hate him regardless of what he does. Burke will have a challenge if the economy continues to grow. She needs to identify a few key message points that will appeal to independents....womens rights and environment are good places to start.

freddiebell
freddiebell

It looks like, if education is the topic, technical schools are the winner tonight, to whatever extent that actually is the case. Good for them. They need and deserve the support.

That said, there were no words of substance, much less love, for K-12. For the UW system also nothing at all -- unless you count Walker taking credit for the initiative and labor of others in the new flexible degree option. For the many public educators in this state, by and large the message is more of the same: you're on your own. The glass remains half-empty (and draining liquid) as we fall further still behind peer states and their commitment. I strongly suspect that history will not look back upon this era in Wisconsin education with a kind view. The impact of our choices to neither plan for nor sufficiently fund a better system will bear bitter fruit for years to come.

RightToWork
RightToWork

Was there any mention of getting rid of the corrupt private unions so this state could grow jobs?

truthzeeker
truthzeeker

You mean like the Koch Bros, and the other front groups who have made politics a rich mans playground?

davea
davea

Right To Work for less!

graefental
graefental

McJobs?

Stuck In The Middle With You
Stuck In The Middle With You

Make your refund go further by spending it at online sites that don't collect Wisconsin tax.

Union Bricklayer
Union Bricklayer

I will have to read the address later, as I cannot tolerate watching this scum of a human being.,

Bucky24
Bucky24

Interesting title Scott "Blueprint for Prosperity" because it is funded by and authored by the Koch brothers & Americans for Prosperity........

powmda
powmda

Well, those folks seem to know a thing or two about being prosperous. Maybe we should listen to them.

College Didn't Take
College Didn't Take

Those people make money the old fashioned way....they steal it.

Harvey
Harvey

And at least vote like we are rich as they are.

RichardSRussell
RichardSRussell

Bonnie and Clyde and Al Capone were also prosperous.

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